Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 5th Jun 2007 19:05 UTC
Debian and its clones FreeSoftwareMagazine takes a look at Debian as a desktop system, and they conclude: "I feel that Debian Etch is as good on the desktop as it is on the server. It has a long rich history, a strong community, is amazingly stable and is a great fit for both my servers and my laptop. I urge everyone to give it a go on the desktop."
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RE: diamond
by sbergman27 on Wed 6th Jun 2007 16:49 UTC in reply to "diamond"
sbergman27
Member since:
2005-07-24

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debian is a diamond.Ubuntu just cut the rough edges away.
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I like that analogy.

Just because some of us like Ubuntu, don't think that we don't realize how important the Debian core is.

Sometimes, some of the Debian advocates come off as a bit thin-skinned. Like the person or persons who systematically modded my comments about Debian down. (I'm not complaining. Just noting the phenomenon.)

There is really no need to be so defensive. Most of us have a deep appreciation for the work that went into creating the solid core that Ubuntu is built upon.

Seems like the Debian and Ubuntu devs have pretty well made up and found a way to work well together. Perhaps it's time that the respective fans did the same.

As I've said in previous posts, I come from a non-debian background, and my Ubuntu use has greatly *increased* my respect and awareness of Debian.

I hesitate to say that Ubuntu put Debian on the map, because that would likely offend some people. But in a very real way, for many of us, it did.

And I think that is a good thing for everyone.

And by that, I do mean everyone. Debian users, Ubuntu users, users of other distros, MacOS users, BeOS users, and Windows users, all to different degrees.

A strong desktop Linux distro that makes some waves helps all of these people, with varying degrees of directness or indirectness.

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RE[2]: diamond
by da_Chicken on Wed 6th Jun 2007 23:34 in reply to "RE: diamond"
da_Chicken Member since:
2006-01-01

I hesitate to say that Ubuntu put Debian on the map, because that would likely offend some people. But in a very real way, for many of us, it did.

Saying that "Ubuntu put Debian on the map" would be a false statement, which is good enough reason to not say it. A long time before Ubuntu was started Debian was already well-known for its high quality and also for its commitment to free software. Debian's good reputation in the free software community gives any new Debian-based distro a head start.

BTW, I've noticed that Ubuntu has recently removed the information about their continuing Debian dependency from the ubuntu.com web site. And Shuttleworth has recently given several interviews where he states that Ubuntu has now become Debian's upstream distro. Maybe these changes in attitude reflect the fact that Canonical/Ubuntu has noticed Debian's progress and they now consider Debian as a worthy competitor?

Anyway, despite all that lame "UbuntuLinux is for humans" (and other distros are for animals?) propaganda, there are some noteworthy differences between the main goals of Debian and Ubuntu. Ubuntu is primarily an instrument for Canonical to make some more money but Debian is primarily a non-profit effort by volunteer programmers to provide a free (as in freedom) high quality operating system for all kinds of users and all kinds of hardware platforms -- the Universal Operating System. Debian has a "social contract" and "free software guidelines" (which are the basis of OSI's "open source" definition) that Ubuntu lacks.
http://www.debian.org/social_contract
http://www.opensource.org/docs/definition.php

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RE[3]: diamond
by chris_dk on Thu 7th Jun 2007 15:53 in reply to "RE[2]: diamond"
chris_dk Member since:
2005-07-12

And Shuttleworth has recently given several interviews where he states that Ubuntu has now become Debian's upstream distro.

Can we see a link or are you just making it up?

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RE[3]: diamond
by sbergman27 on Thu 7th Jun 2007 19:15 in reply to "RE[2]: diamond"
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

"""
Saying that "Ubuntu put Debian on the map" would be a false statement, which is good enough reason to not say it. A long time before Ubuntu was started Debian was already well-known for its high quality and also for its commitment to free software. Debian's good reputation in the free software community gives any new Debian-based distro a head start.
"""

I don't think that Debian *wants* to be Ubuntu. As much as I like Ubuntu, it does, in a way, aim to be the AOL of distros. (It occurs to me that what I just said might seem disrespectful to the many extemely helpful and knowloedgable people on the Unbutu forums, and for that I appologize. But it is Ubuntu's aim to be a Linux for regular folks.)

Anyway, in pondering the issue of Ubuntu's effect on the Debian family of distros, I cobbled together this chart of distrowatch page hits per day from 2002 to the present for the distros which are the top eight today.

Sure, distrowatch statistics and sodium chloride go together like fish 'n chips.

But I thought someone might be interested.

http://68.229.195.96:8080/distrowatch_chart.png

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