Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 8th Jun 2007 15:01 UTC, submitted by AdministratorX
Microsoft In its second such agreement this week, Microsoft has struck a deal under which it will extend amnesty to a company that's using what the software maker claims is patented Microsoft intellectual property embedded in the open source Linux computer operating system. Under a deal with LG Electronics, disclosed late Wednesday, Microsoft will forgo any Linux-related patent claims against the South Korean electronics manufacturer. In return, Microsoft will gain access to certain intellectual property produced by LG.
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RE: Remarkable
by Laurence on Fri 8th Jun 2007 15:22 UTC in reply to "Remarkable"
Laurence
Member since:
2007-03-26

I couldn't agree more.
It seems absurd for LG to surrender some of their intellectual property to MS simply because MS make unproven accusations about their patents.

It's completely bonkers. Why don't these businesses stand together? After all - United we stand, devided we fall.

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RE[2]: Remarkable
by Thom_Holwerda on Fri 8th Jun 2007 15:23 in reply to "RE: Remarkable"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

It seems absurd for LG to surrender some of their intellectual property to MS simply because MS make unproven accusations about their patents.

That's my point. All I can think of is that the patent claim actualy *shock gasp horror* holds any water.

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RE[3]: Remarkable
by AlexandreAM on Fri 8th Jun 2007 15:46 in reply to "RE[2]: Remarkable"
AlexandreAM Member since:
2006-02-06

That's exactly what I was thinking: what if MS is actually showing these companies what they're talking about ? It would surely bring more credibility to their claims -- if the claims are valid ayways.

On the other hand, what if MS is just somehow getting those companies to agree, in order to get the rest of the IT world thinking just like the above conclusion ?

Things are messy. Really messy, these days... and I can't still find any reliable source about how software patent laws apply here in Brazil. Anyone have a clue?

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RE[3]: Remarkable
by Laurence on Fri 8th Jun 2007 15:53 in reply to "RE[2]: Remarkable"
Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

"

That's my point. All I can think of is that the patent claim actualy *shock gasp horror* holds any water.
"

I do see where you are coming from and if thats the case then MS have a *cunning tactic there (basically picking companies out one by one and scare them sh*tless until everyone follows suit). They'll gain more this way than a long and expensive, yet legitimate court battle.

* I say 'cunning' but what I really mean is 'evil'.

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RE[3]: Remarkable
by ubit on Fri 8th Jun 2007 18:33 in reply to "RE[2]: Remarkable"
ubit Member since:
2006-09-08

MS pays these companies much more than they give MS in royalties (for now, anyways...) though. You rally have to wonder why they would give up all their patents to a vicious competitor just for a few hundred million though. Perhaps just greedy and thinking in the short term blip on their financial statements?

Edited 2007-06-08 18:33

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RE[3]: Remarkable
by Beta on Fri 8th Jun 2007 20:00 in reply to "RE[2]: Remarkable"
Beta Member since:
2005-07-06

"All I can think of is that the patent claim actualy *shock gasp horror* holds any water."

You're not trying nearly hard enough.

Being businesses, what's the downside for them agreeing to this deal? None, apart from some "minor GPL problems".

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RE[2]: Remarkable
by korpenkraxar on Fri 8th Jun 2007 15:46 in reply to "RE: Remarkable"
korpenkraxar Member since:
2005-09-10

It seems absurd for LG to surrender some of their intellectual property to MS simply because MS make unproven accusations about their patents.

I guess we have to assume that MS has shown them to LG at least.

I had been thinking of making a poll or bet at some site about which additional Linux distributors after Novell and Xandros the community think is most likely to sign similar deals (Linspire? Mandriva? Mepis?), but by now this is turning too unpredictable. What next? Volvo? The Catholic Church? Antarctica? The little smile on babies' faces?

[Edit: minor typo]

Edited 2007-06-08 15:52

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RE[3]: Remarkable
by ebasconp on Fri 8th Jun 2007 16:09 in reply to "RE[2]: Remarkable"
ebasconp Member since:
2006-05-09

I cannot understand why a company of the size of Microsoft can try to shut up to its competition by that kind of dirty legal ways?

If Microsoft has so many resources, so many brilliant developers and engineers, is it so hard for them fighting against Linux in a technical way instead of using FUD and those Al Capone deals?

If Microsoft thinks the community is infringing several software patents, why they do not make them public before expanding the scare?

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RE[2]: Remarkable
by sappyvcv on Fri 8th Jun 2007 15:52 in reply to "RE: Remarkable"
sappyvcv Member since:
2005-07-06

Again, Microsoft is paying LG for access to their intellectual property. They made the CHOICE to agree upon and sign the contract.

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RE[3]: Remarkable
by Laurence on Fri 8th Jun 2007 15:58 in reply to "RE[2]: Remarkable"
Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

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Again, Microsoft is paying LG for access to their intellectual property. They made the CHOICE to agree upon and sign the contract.
"

I'm well aware of that, but how much arm twisting was envolved before LG 'chose' to sign that contract?

I doubt a company like LG would sell their IP unless they were either pushed into it or offered a very very sweet deal. Going by MS's past tactics I wonder how much of the latter went into the negotiations with LG

Edited 2007-06-08 16:02

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RE[2]: Remarkable
by sbergman27 on Fri 8th Jun 2007 16:16 in reply to "RE: Remarkable"
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

"""
Why don't these businesses stand together? After all - United we stand, devided we fall.
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Corporations are whores.

And cooperation to achieve a common goal has always never been their strong suit. It seems like the history of this industry has been one deal after another, with corporations pledging to work together to achieve some goal... but the goal is rarely achieved before they lapse back into their back-stabbing ways and the whole thing falls apart and is forgotten.

That's one of the things that scares Microsoft so much about the GPL. It's been more effective than anything in this industry at getting at least some companies effectively cooperating each other, in at least some areas, in a meaningful and long term way.

It's hard for Microsoft to sell their software as "rocket science" in the presence of examples of how a little cooperation between players can turn "rocket science" into "garden variety".

I'm afraid that it is up to us. Keep a list of those companies who enter into these deals. Do not buy from them and discourage others from doing so. Send those companies a courteous note explaining *what* you are doing and *why* you are doing it. Send a note to your new suppliers informing them of why you are switching to them.

Our wallets and our keyboards are the most effective weapons that we have in this important fight. I only hope that we can wield them effectively and that they are enough.

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