Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 8th Jun 2007 15:01 UTC, submitted by AdministratorX
Microsoft In its second such agreement this week, Microsoft has struck a deal under which it will extend amnesty to a company that's using what the software maker claims is patented Microsoft intellectual property embedded in the open source Linux computer operating system. Under a deal with LG Electronics, disclosed late Wednesday, Microsoft will forgo any Linux-related patent claims against the South Korean electronics manufacturer. In return, Microsoft will gain access to certain intellectual property produced by LG.
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interesting...
by smashIt on Fri 8th Jun 2007 16:43 UTC
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2005-07-06

it's interesting to read through all the comments.
ms being evil, lg being corrupt, ms under pressure by gpl3, and the user is the victim...
did anybody notice that lg makes consumer electronics, and ms is holding a lot of patents regarding codecs like vc1?
you can flame ms as much as you want. but do you realy think that playing wmv-files under linux is legal? do you realy think that ntfs isn't covered by some patents?

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RE: interesting...
by Buck on Fri 8th Jun 2007 16:50 in reply to "interesting..."
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2005-06-29

ou can flame ms as much as you want. but do you realy think that playing wmv-files under linux is legal? do you realy think that ntfs isn't covered by some patents?

This has nothing to do with Linux. Then Microsoft should direct their FUD efforts towards mplayer and the filesystem guys. And in the end it's all "thinking, supposing, presuming" etc. This has no substance.

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RE[2]: interesting...
by smashIt on Fri 8th Jun 2007 17:03 in reply to "RE: interesting..."
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2005-07-06

This has nothing to do with Linux. Then Microsoft should direct their FUD efforts towards mplayer and the filesystem guys. And in the end it's all "thinking, supposing, presuming" etc. This has no substance.
enlighten me. did they contact torvalds or distribution-vendors?

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RE: interesting...
by tomcat on Fri 8th Jun 2007 16:50 in reply to "interesting..."
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2006-01-06

Excellent points. The fact of the matter is that we don't know what MS showed to LG, Novell, and other companies. It was all done under NDA, naturally, so it's pretty silly for people to assume that they know everything there is to know about these deals, that Microsoft is bluffing, the companies are corrupt/weak, yadda, yadda, yadda. Not to mention that there are mutual interests between the parties at stake here (ie. cross-licensing of technology, etc) that may have nothing to do with the issues that people are discussing here.

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RE[2]: interesting...
by sappyvcv on Fri 8th Jun 2007 17:11 in reply to "RE: interesting..."
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2005-07-06

But Microsoft is evil

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RE[2]: interesting...
by ubit on Fri 8th Jun 2007 18:24 in reply to "RE: interesting..."
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2006-09-08

It's done under NDA so people can't code around the patents AS MANY FS program have done in the past, or be able to call them out as obvious, or find prior art. The Supreme Court in the US has taken a very dim view on patents recently.

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RE[2]: interesting...
by archiesteel on Fri 8th Jun 2007 18:25 in reply to "RE: interesting..."
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2005-07-02

All the time they spend *not* identifying which patents Linux allegedly infringes on actually weakens their case. There is an accepted legal principle in IP law that the plaintiff must mitigate damages, i.e. that it must inform the alleged infringer as soon as possible in order to minimize the impact of the infringement.

So far, MS has made vague allegations but it hasn't revealed anything specific to those it holds responsible for the alleged infringement. That's a good indication that they don't believe their case is strong enough to litigate.

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RE: interesting...
by ubit on Fri 8th Jun 2007 18:24 in reply to "interesting..."
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2006-09-08

NTFS is a trade secret, not a patent.

I don't know everything about WMV, but yes it's legal if you pay the licensing fees from software patent holders as Fluendo has done, or if you're in a country that doesn't legislate software patents; since people use ffmpeg now, it's not even a copyright issue. Why wouldn't LG just do that instead if that's the issue?

Edited 2007-06-08 18:27

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RE: interesting...
by ubit on Fri 8th Jun 2007 19:29 in reply to "interesting..."
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2006-09-08

Edit timed out, but wanted to add that you pay Fluendo for the WMV codecs, which I believe they offer and then pay royalties to the licensors, and then it's legal AFAIK (if you're in a country where software patents are legal and you can't use reverse engineered decoders)

http://www.fluendo.com/products.php?product=plugins Buy plugins

Edited 2007-06-08 19:29

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