Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 8th Jun 2007 21:47 UTC
Hardware, Embedded Systems El Reg takes a look at ten desktop computers, from Apple's Mac Pro to Dell's exotic XPS M2010. The verdict: "The ten PCs we have looked at here represent a huge cross-section of the computer market and as such offer varied functionality depending on specific needs and budgets. If you're looking for an imposing combo of power and potent design then the Alienware really should be your first and only port of call. For us, if money were no object we'd opt for the Dell XPS for its sheer bling factor, but in the real world give us an Apple Mac Pro and we're happy."
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Not again
by TheDiver on Sat 9th Jun 2007 15:38 UTC
TheDiver
Member since:
2006-12-12

When will people start to write objective articles.

And ending like this 'but in the real world give us an Apple Mac Pro and we're happy."' really suck.

Because it is a lie for a lot of people.

We are used to Windows at work, we have had Windows for years at home. A lot of people have Windows specific software, build for .Net.
Yes you could dual boot, or run parallel, but then why not use a machine made for Windows ?

I have tried OSX, and yes it was sort of okay to work with, but in the long run it really annoyed me, and i did miss a lot of software i have on Windows.

So for me the OSX is totally useless. When i want to play a game, same problem the amount of Mac games is very tiny compared to windows.

I still have not seen just a single feature on OSX that want's me to switch, it is vendor lock in hugely compared even to Microsoft.
No thanks, i prefer my Windows XP laptop, and Windows Vista workstation. Where i can use all my programs and the few games i have without having to dual boot (and have to pay for 2 licenses) or using parallels.

A Mac might be good for some people, but the way the article ends, show everybody that the objectivity is gone.

Edited 2007-06-09 15:50

RE: Not again
by evangs on Sat 9th Jun 2007 17:41 in reply to "Not again"
evangs Member since:
2005-07-07

We are used to Windows at work, we have had Windows for years at home. A lot of people have Windows specific software, build for .Net.


But then again, a lot of people don't have Windows specific software.

Unless you're talking about specific point of sales software, or some obscure accounting application, there are Mac version of most commercial software from Adobe, MS, etc. Or there are alternatives on the Mac that are developed by smaller software houses.

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RE[2]: Not again
by StephenBeDoper on Sat 9th Jun 2007 18:43 in reply to "RE: Not again"
StephenBeDoper Member since:
2005-07-06

some obscure accounting application


You mean like ACT or Simply Accounting?

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RE: Not again
by Sparrowhawk on Sat 9th Jun 2007 17:59 in reply to "Not again"
Sparrowhawk Member since:
2005-07-11

When will people start to write objective articles.

And ending like this 'but in the real world give us an Apple Mac Pro and we're happy."' really suck.

Because it is a lie for a lot of people.


Except it's not a lie, it's an opinion. A lie would be if they misrepresented some of the features or performances of the various machines. As far as I can tell they did not, they simply stated that they would like a MacPro.

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RE: Not again
by JohnOne on Sat 9th Jun 2007 20:29 in reply to "Not again"
JohnOne Member since:
2006-03-25

"When i want to play a game, same problem the amount of Mac games is very tiny compared to windows."

At the same prise of a gaming PC you can buy a MacBook and a console: you can have a cool and useful portable computer that you can use everywhere you want and a powerful, multimedial, versatile, simple and smart gaming machine than every PC o Mac in the universe, and you havn't to update it every six months to play a brand new game.
When will people understand that PCs or Macs are not for gaming and ALL overpriced for it?

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RE[2]: Not again
by dagw on Sat 9th Jun 2007 20:59 in reply to "RE: Not again"
dagw Member since:
2005-07-06

Not all PC games are available for consoles, and among those that are, some simply play better on a PC. Civ IV and Europa Universalis 3 for example aren't available for any console, and if they where they would probably suck (I know Civ IV is now available for the mac, but it took a long time and non of the expansions are available). I'm not even going to touch the whole FPS console vs mouse debate.

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RE: Not again
by apoclypse on Sun 10th Jun 2007 00:44 in reply to "Not again"
apoclypse Member since:
2007-02-17

You have to remember that not everyone needs to use windows software. Gaming isn't the end all be all of the pc world. Running Windows on a MacPro is just as trivial as running it on a Dell. They have an opinion stating that they would be just as happy running a macpro as they would using an Alienware or a Dell. All you seemed to focus on was the fact that they said that they would be just as happy running a macpro. I'm not one to call people fanboys but I think your comment is stretching it. The macpro is expandable with up to 16GB of Ram and 3TB of disk space as well as the ability to run 4 Video cards if desired. If you install windows using bootcamp then you will have a more than decent gaming rig and if you stick with MacOSX you have a pretty hefty media powerhouse that any professional be it 3d artist, Magazine publisher, or Music producer would be more than happy to run. That would make anyone happy. Though some people like to complain just for the sake of it.

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RE: Not again
by shotsman on Sun 10th Jun 2007 09:03 in reply to "Not again"
shotsman Member since:
2005-07-22

There is more to using a computer than playing (IMHO silly shootem up etc) games.
The % of people (ie gamers) whose majority use of a computer is playing games in very small indeed.
Most PC Users want to do other things with their lives.

I used to play PC Games at every opportunity. I was pretty well addicted to a few games (about 10 years ago) Then, I had a spell in Hospital and I never returned to game playing. Now I see lots of my friends spending hours and hours a week addicted to their favourite game.
I now have other things that are far more important in my life.

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RE: Not again
by butters on Sun 10th Jun 2007 12:58 in reply to "Not again"
butters Member since:
2005-07-08

Who's holding a gun to your head saying that you have to run MacOS on a Mac Pro? No need to dual-boot. If you're a Microsoft addict, then just run Vista or XP. Windows runs just as... good enough on an Intel Mac as it does on any other PC.

Will it make good use of 8 cores? Probably not quite as well as MacOSX, but honestly, there isn't a desktop platform that scales well past 2 cores. If you want a dual-socket Intel workstation, you're not going to do any better than the Mac Pro, no matter what OS you choose. That's the objective conclusion.

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RE[2]: Not again
by TheDiver on Sun 10th Jun 2007 16:15 in reply to "RE: Not again"
TheDiver Member since:
2006-12-12

Give me one good reason why i should waste money on an OS i do not like, i have tried OSX for a few month, and i still think it i bad for productivity.
There is no framework like .Net, there is no games (for the 2 times a month i wanna play)...

I prefer to have an open machine, i can configure even with the most exotic hardware i can find.

Many people think Microsoft gives you vendor lockin, but they are the nicest people compared to what Apple does, with their OS, their MP3 Players, their music shop and so on.

When i had to get a new MP3 player, because my iPod fell on the floor and the harddrive died, i did read a lot of test. And in many test the Creatice Zen Vision M, won on functionality, usability, video quality, sound quality. So in EVERY aspect it was better than the ipod, but why did the test put ipod on first spot, because 'the Vision M is not an iPod' It just show how little objectivity the testing business has. They just let the Apple hardware win, no matter how crappy it really is compared to other products on the market, that really sucks !
That is another reason why i will not support a company who locks in their customers that hard as Apple does.

If i buy music in the iTunes shop, i am forced to either recode (makes the sound quality crappy) or buy an iPod. If i buy in mostly other show and get it in WMV i have a huge choice of players capable of playing the music, not only one companies, that is treating the customer with respect, compared to what Apple does.

p.s. When i soon am going to buy a new machine, it is going to be one with the Intel Quad core, with hardware selected by me, and not the tiny amount one campany forces me to use. I want flexibility not lockin.

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RE: Not again
by thecwin on Sun 10th Jun 2007 14:10 in reply to "Not again"
thecwin Member since:
2006-01-04

'but in the real world give us an Apple Mac Pro and we're happy.'

I think that's a pretty objective fact. It may not make you happy, but unless you want to tell them that they can't be happy with a Mac Pro, it's an objective fact.

But since we're arguing, the Mac Pro is an amazing system, especially a souped up one. Two quad-core Xeon 3.0GHz processors, up to 3TB of storage, up to 16GB of RAM, four graphics cards...

Ability to run OS X if you're into video editing, photography and using lots of Mac-specific stuff. Ability to use Windows if you like gaming, .NET programs, and Windows specific stuff. I really don't think this machine is targetted at those who just do a bit of office accounting.

And to say that the Macs don't run Windows well is a complete lie. My one never crashes running Windows, and it runs it a damn sight better than most of my friend's Windows specific laptops. Hardware quality most likely, but I run my MBP in Windows to play games and haven't had a problem.

I usually run OS X because it just feels nicer, but if you don't like it, fair enough, but if you wouldn't be happy with a Mac Pro and assume that nobody would means that you must be extremely picky. What computer do you have that's so amazing? I think objectively, the hardware on a Mac Pro *is* good.

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