Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 12th Jun 2007 15:23 UTC
Mac OS X As you have surely noticed by now, Apple's CEO Steve Jobs held his keynote speech yesterday at Apple's Worldwide Developers Conference in San Francisco. So far, the responses have been mixed; I have seen a lot of excitement, but also a lot of disappointment. Personally, I am not really sure where I stand.
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RE[3]: Copied from what ?
by Thom_Holwerda on Tue 12th Jun 2007 16:59 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Copied from what ?"
Thom_Holwerda
Member since:
2005-06-29

So it is written on Wikipedia, and we all know what's on t3h intern3t is true.

Get real, the dock is a very, very general UI concept, implemented in various different ways by different operating systems. ARTHUR (RISC OS 1) was the first release I could find where it was used, but as I said, there may be other implementations even before Arthur.

Duffman, you capped the Wikipedia article at a really interesting point. did you read on? It made me laugh, you see.

"The main difference with the NeXTSTEP and Mac OS X Dock, is that the Icon Bar only displays icons for active, or loaded, applications. Also, the Mac OS X Dock will scale down accordingly to accommodate expansion, whereas the Icon Bar will simply scroll. Lastly, the Icon Bar itself has a fixed size and position, which is across the bottom of the screen."

Those are not "differences" that are notable in any way. The icon bar in ARTHUR/RISC OS is a dock, no matter the spin Wikipedia tries to put on it.

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RE[4]: Copied from what ?
by Duffman on Tue 12th Jun 2007 17:10 in reply to "RE[3]: Copied from what ?"
Duffman Member since:
2005-11-23

Ok so when YOU post some articles from the wikipedia, that's ok, that's the truth.
But when someone not thinking like you do the same and post an article that YOU do not agree with, it's wrong, they are lying.

Get real, the dock is a very, very general UI concept

Get real, the dock is NOT only a general UI concept, it's a behaviour, it's the way it works, the way you use it. And that's the point the wikipedia try to reveal but it seems that you do not want to understand.

Now the Sun dock is just working like the Apple's one.

Just take a look at the one in Leopard, nothing change it's still use 2D icons and working the same way (plus stacks).

The day Apple will use high definition and moving wallpapers like in Looking Glass, you will be able to say that Apple copied Sun.

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RE[5]: Copied from what ?
by Thom_Holwerda on Tue 12th Jun 2007 18:28 in reply to "RE[4]: Copied from what ?"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Hey look what I just found:

http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/leopard-dock-resembles-suns-proj...

Guess I'm not the only one noticing.

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RE[5]: Copied from what ?
by Dave_K on Tue 12th Jun 2007 18:59 in reply to "RE[4]: Copied from what ?"
Dave_K Member since:
2005-11-16

Get real, the dock is NOT only a general UI concept, it's a behaviour, it's the way it works, the way you use it. And that's the point the wikipedia try to reveal but it seems that you do not want to understand.


Reading this debate about whether the Iconbar is a Dock or not; I find it ironic that the Mac OS X Dock actually shares more in common with the RISC OS Iconbar, than it does with the NeXTSTEP Dock.

The NeXTSTEP Dock only displayed applications that were put in it. It couldn't hold directories or drives, and it didn't automatically display running apps. It had no contextual menus displaying application options, or any way of storing more items than could fit on screen.

Like the Mac OS X Dock, the Iconbar in RISC OS had all those features, it just handled some of them differently.

Note that I'm not claiming that Apple copied RISC OS. I doubt Apple's designers ever actually used that obscure British OS. Most of the features that the Iconbar and OS X Dock share in common are pretty obvious additions really...

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RE[5]: Copied from what ?
by sn0n on Tue 12th Jun 2007 20:04 in reply to "RE[4]: Copied from what ?"
sn0n Member since:
2005-08-09

"The day Apple will use high definition and moving wallpapers like in Looking Glass, you will be able to say that Apple copied Sun."

No, they will discredit sun, and say they are copying Vista.

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RE[4]: Copied from what ?
by PowerMacX on Tue 12th Jun 2007 17:45 in reply to "RE[3]: Copied from what ?"
PowerMacX Member since:
2005-11-06

"The main difference with the NeXTSTEP and Mac OS X Dock, is that the Icon Bar only displays icons for active, or loaded, applications"

Those are not "differences" that are notable in any way. The icon bar in ARTHUR/RISC OS is a dock, no matter the spin Wikipedia tries to put on it.


So you never use the dock to launch apps? I think that qualifies as a major difference.

What distinguishes the Dock from a simple process list window OR an app launcher is that it's both, at the same time. It has to do with the fact that unlike other OS systems, the concept of "application instance" doesn't apply to OS X, so a separate launcher/active processes display would be redundant.

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RE[4]: Copied from what ?
by tyrione on Wed 13th Jun 2007 00:07 in reply to "RE[3]: Copied from what ?"
tyrione Member since:
2005-11-21

You're patently wrong. You don't like it. Tough crap. Grow a pair of balls and admit your research was flawed.

If you want, go whine to Apple Engineering and ask them to show you an pre 1.0 version of NeXTSTEP with the Dock and how it's functionality plus interaction with the GUI was original.

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