Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 12th Jun 2007 19:49 UTC
Mac OS X An Apple official on Monday said Sun's open-source file system would not be in the next version of the Mac operating system, contradicting statements made last week by Sun's chief executive. During an interview with InformationWeek, Brian Croll, senior director of product marketing for the Mac OS, said, "ZFS is not happening," when asked whether Sun's Zettabyte File System would be in Leopard. Instead, Leopard would use Apple's current hierarchical file system, called HFS+. The Apple file system was first introduced in 1998 in Mac OS 8.0.
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HFS+
by samad on Tue 12th Jun 2007 20:01 UTC
samad
Member since:
2006-03-31

Apple seriously needs to update HFS+ to something more modern.

RE: HFS+
by nivanson on Tue 12th Jun 2007 20:37 in reply to "HFS+"
nivanson Member since:
2006-07-13

Why? Are you missing something using it? It's not like it's broken...

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RE[2]: HFS+
by sbergman27 on Tue 12th Jun 2007 20:56 in reply to "RE: HFS+"
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

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Why? Are you missing something using it? It's not like it's broken...
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I think they are in the same boat as the rest of us. Journalled metadata, 4 billion files per directory, 16TiB maximum file size, and 16TiB maximum volume size is plenty for most folks today. And orginzations who need more have other options.

But in a few years... we'll all need something.

Well, except for ZFS. Sun got tired of the bit size merry-go-round, and with its 128 bit allowances, should be good for another 150 years or so, assuming a doubling of requirements every 1.5 years.

I can't blame them, really.

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RE[2]: HFS+
by samad on Tue 12th Jun 2007 21:14 in reply to "RE: HFS+"
samad Member since:
2006-03-31

It doesn't have the sophistication of ZFS when it comes to pooling drives together. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zettabyte_File_System#Storage_pools

ZFS is particularly important for people who deal with large files. Since a high percentage of computer graphic designers use Macs, ZFS is very beneficial. Also, Apple has attracted video editing professionals, and ZFS fits perfectly with this.

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RE[2]: HFS+
by kaiwai on Tue 12th Jun 2007 21:46 in reply to "RE: HFS+"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

Why? Are you missing something using it? It's not like it's broken...


Its as broken as Fat32 was to Windows - it is incredibly precious, and speed wise, it is terrible when compared to ZFS - using it right now on my laptop. What ZFS offers not only brings it up to NTFS standards, but exceeds it in term so performance and reliability.

Now, HFS+ isn't going to be totally thrown out, they'll probably still keep using it for their iPod, but I don't seem them using it anything more than just that.

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RE: HFS+
by elmimmo on Wed 13th Jun 2007 00:27 in reply to "HFS+"
elmimmo Member since:
2005-09-17

@samad:
> Apple seriously needs to update HFS+ to something more modern

Cause it is missing what? (honest question, not ranting)

Edit: OK, read everything. I missed it since useful explanations were not referenced as a reply to samad's post, so I asked right away. Sorry…

Edited 2007-06-13 00:31

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RE: HFS+
by Anonymous Penguin on Wed 13th Jun 2007 12:15 in reply to "HFS+"
Anonymous Penguin Member since:
2005-07-06

It seems to be a problem across the board. Apple, Microsoft and Linux are all using oldish filesystems, thus preventing the implementation of interesting new features. Heck, SUSE even reverted to ext3 as the default!

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