Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 14th Jun 2007 15:58 UTC, submitted by Jeremy Fox
Mac OS X Carbon will not be 64bit in Leopard. "At last year's keynote, Apple had claimed that both Carbon and Cocoa would be 64-bit, adding to the 64-bit fundamentals that Tiger had laid. However, according to the latest on Apple's website, Leopard's 64-bit frameworks will include the POSIX and math libraries found in Tiger, Cocoa, Quartz, OpenGL, and X11 GUI framework. In addition, Apple confirms that Carbon will not be 64-bit on the Carbon Developer mailing list." In addition, the readme file included with Leopard's developer preview says G3 support will be dropped from Leopard.
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Not too surprised
by Damien on Thu 14th Jun 2007 16:46 UTC
Damien
Member since:
2005-07-07

I'm not surprised to see G3 support dropped - when was the last time they released a product that used the chip? They're trying to move to a completely different architecture, so there'll be a little bit of pain along the way. Anyone who has a G3 will be doing well to run Tiger, nevermind Leopard which looks to push things a bit more.

As for 64bit Carbon - what would the point be? Anyone who at this point still is running Carbon apps really needs to find alternatives. Good riddens.

Damien

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RE: Not too surprised
by Kroc on Thu 14th Jun 2007 17:04 in reply to "Not too surprised"
Kroc Member since:
2005-11-10

Like Adobe & Microsoft?
They're really dragging their heels on Mac. Damn, I wish there were more serious competition. If Corel released Paint Shop Pro for Mac, I'd buy it right away and put Photoshop in the bin.

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RE[2]: Not too surprised
by tyrione on Fri 22nd Jun 2007 05:07 in reply to "RE: Not too surprised"
tyrione Member since:
2005-11-21

Apple gave Adobe/Macromedia and Microsoft a time limit as to when they would abandon Carbon. They extended it more than once and finally are now letting it die slowly.

Adobe can use QT within OS X if it wants. It will be dependent on Trolltech to make it work with Cocoa and it's Events Model.

Microsoft can keep their apps 32 bit and still run in Leopard.

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RE: Not too surprised
by godawful on Thu 14th Jun 2007 17:05 in reply to "Not too surprised"
godawful Member since:
2005-06-29

I was curious, so i just checked over at everymac.com, the last G3 product (the 14" ibook 900 Mhz g3) was discontinued in october of 2003. So 4 years to the month of leopards release.

Actually not as long ago as it feels like.

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RE: Not too surprised
by lurch_mojoff on Thu 14th Jun 2007 17:08 in reply to "Not too surprised"
lurch_mojoff Member since:
2007-05-12

I'm not surprised to see G3 support dropped...


Umm... I believe we should have known that G3 support is going the way of the Dodo since last year's WWDC because , umm, Apple actually said it outright.

As for 64bit Carbon - what would the point be? Anyone who at this point still is running Carbon apps really needs to find alternatives. Good riddens.


Why all the Carbon hate?

I also don't think the report that 64 bit Carbon has been dropped is correct, although I may be wrong since I'm not attending WWDC'07. Last year, the official party line was that legacy Carbon technologies like QuickDraw and SoundManager will not be made 64 bit, but if one uses their modern equivalent (Quartz, CoreAudio, etc.) the rest of the Carbon code can very well be 64 bit.

Well, I guess we will find out sooner or later what's the deal with this, but for now I don't believe Apple will so drastically part form what they were preaching last year.

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RE: Not too surprised
by stew on Fri 15th Jun 2007 16:17 in reply to "Not too surprised"
stew Member since:
2005-07-06

What again was the Cocoa alternative to Maya, Cinema 4D and Lightwave?

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