Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 14th Jun 2007 16:04 UTC, submitted by davidiwharper
Linspire Linspire has announced an agreement to license voice-enabled instant messaging, Windows Media 10 codecs, and TrueType font technologies from Microsoft for its Linux distribution. Additionally, Microsoft will offer protection to Linspire customers against possible violations of Microsoft patents by Linux.
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RE[2]: Too Suspicious
by hyper on Thu 14th Jun 2007 19:53 UTC in reply to "RE: Too Suspicious "
hyper
Member since:
2005-06-29

The BSD licence is so open that any company that wants to can take BSD code without giving back, and put it in their proprietary product never to be seen again. Not exactly a good business proposition if you want to keep control of your code and stop proprietary splintering a la UNIX - although, I admit, wonderful if you want to steal someone else's.

But you still have your original code and may do whatever you wish with it and have full control on it.

I guess we are lucky that no one of BSD software developers are so greedy about their code like you are. Or maybe you do not code and just like to spread false claims every time anyone mentions BSD?

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RE[3]: Too Suspicious
by twenex on Thu 14th Jun 2007 20:05 in reply to "RE[2]: Too Suspicious "
twenex Member since:
2006-04-21

But you still have your original code and may do whatever you wish with it and have full control on it.

AT&T (or whoever *really* owns UNIX) still has its original UNIX code. NetBSD still has its original BSD code. Did that prevent the splintering of UNIX into AIX, AUX, Solaris, DG-UX, or of BSD into Net-, Free-, Open-, DragonFly-, PC-, Desktop-, Tomorrow-, DayAfter-, and OhNoNotAnotherBSD?

No?

QED.

I guess we are lucky that no one of BSD software developers are so greedy about their code like you are.

Actually, you're unlucky on that point. If it hadn't been for the fundamental splintering of the BSD's, they might have given Linux a run for its money even without being a possible refuge for people scared that Linux will disappear.

Or maybe you do not code and just like to spread false claims every time anyone mentions BSD?

Actually, no. I like to point out that the BSD people, not Linux people, are the *real* idealists. This isn't FUD. It's a fact of life.

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RE[4]: Too Suspicious
by BluenoseJake on Fri 15th Jun 2007 02:56 in reply to "RE[3]: Too Suspicious "
BluenoseJake Member since:
2005-08-11

"AT&T (or whoever *really* owns UNIX) still has its original UNIX code. NetBSD still has its original BSD code. Did that prevent the splintering of UNIX into AIX, AUX, Solaris, DG-UX, or of BSD into Net-, Free-, Open-, DragonFly-, PC-, Desktop-, Tomorrow-, DayAfter-, and OhNoNotAnotherBSD? "

There are far less BSD derivatives than Linux derivatives, and they all tend to be much more compatible then the differences in say Red Hat and Debian, They all support the ports system and cvsup, and they are all derived from BSD386. Most of the new BSD distros are based on FreeBSD, and most are close enough to FreeBSD to use the FreeBSD ports and package systems directly. Therefore, I see alot less splintering in the BSD world than the Linux world.

"Actually, no. I like to point out that the BSD people, not Linux people, are the *real* idealists. This isn't FUD. It's a fact of life."

I wouldn't call it FUD, but I wouldn't call it a false idealism either. That BSD idealism that you speak of lead to TCP/IP becoming the standard of the internet, because everyone had access to a set of free, high quality networking utilities and stack. The reason that the number of BSD distros are increasing is because that idealism is paying off, as the BSD license allows for a clean, robust OS, as free (I think more free, but that's MHO) as Linux.

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RE[4]: Too Suspicious
by sbergman27 on Fri 15th Jun 2007 03:33 in reply to "RE[3]: Too Suspicious "
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

"""
Actually, no. I like to point out that the BSD people, not Linux people, are the *real* idealists. This isn't FUD. It's a fact of life.
"""

I think that we all tend to focus too much upon licensing.

Has GPLv2 been responsible for Linux's success? Well, Apache has done better with a very different one. So has perl. And Python, et al.

I like copyleft. But I'm not sure that it actually deserves as much credit as it is given.

And copyleft licenses *are* greedy licenses. By that, I mean that "compatibility" often means that we can take code from you. You can't take code from us? Well, it's still "compatible".

And sharing code is hard. Licensing aside, it's hard. And if the licensing does throw up extra hurdles... well, maybe that can sometimes do more harm than good.

We're a diverse group of fellows who can never seem to agree upon *anything* except that we all somehow seem to agree on *something* except that no one seems to be sure of just what that something is.

Perhaps we should simply accept that we're just a sort of strange amalgum who have somehow accomplished some amazing things, against all odds, and don't really know exactly how, and just give everyone credit for... whatever it is that they have done. ;-)

-Steve

Edited 2007-06-15 03:35

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RE[3]: Too Suspicious
by Windows Sucks on Thu 14th Jun 2007 20:59 in reply to "RE[2]: Too Suspicious "
Windows Sucks Member since:
2005-11-10

Yes you will have your own code. But the company (Like Microsoft) who took it will have your code and then add their code and money to make it better and in the end you are just stuck with YOUR code. LOL!

At least with GPL I still have my code and if you use it we will then share code as you are sharing mine and I will be sharing yours. The big companies like MS can't get rich off my code while I have to BUY back the products they make with MY code. LOL!

Notice that BSD has been around a LOT longer then Linux but no one outside the computer world knows what the heck it is. Yet at one time or another there was and is all kinds of BSD code in Windows and other products.

Shoot my mother and grandmother know what Linux is.

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