Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 16th Jun 2007 21:32 UTC, submitted by Oliver
Talk, Rumors, X Versus Y "There's been a lot of talk on lists and blogs about an exchange between Linus Torvalds, Jonathan Schwartz and Theo de Raadt regarding licensing and documentation. It all started with a 'cynical' message from Linus about Sun's motivation with regard to Open Source. Jonathan Schwartz responded by extending Linus a dinner invitation. What? The romance was briefly interrupted by a message from Theo pointing out the doublespeak."
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RE: He's right
by jmcp on Sun 17th Jun 2007 02:55 UTC in reply to "He's right"
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2006-08-06

Actually, the OpenSPARC chip is incredibly well documented. What Theo is actually banging on about is the documentation for the Schizo pci bridge chip. Totally different issue.

My beef with Theo is that he seems to be completely unable to try to approach the Schizo bridge chip issue from a different route - all he ever seems to do is yell that Sun isn't open because of that chip... rather than trying to build a constructive working relationship with people from Sun who could actually help him. His preferences in this matter do him no credit.

Regarding ZFS and patent indemnity, ZFS is licensed under CDDL, which most definitely does have a patent indemnity grant as part of accepting the license. The "problem" is that if you cannot accept CDDL then you don't get access to the IP that's licensed under it.

Don't spread fud, get the facts and spread those instead.

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RE[2]: He's right
by jmcp on Sun 17th Jun 2007 03:39 in reply to "RE: He's right"
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2006-08-06

Forgot to add this url - OpenSPARC is available at http://www.opensparc.net and not only can you get the verilog code for the RTL, you can get the higher level documentation too.

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RE[2]: He's right
by galvanash on Sun 17th Jun 2007 09:46 in reply to "RE: He's right"
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2006-01-25

My beef with Theo is that he seems to be completely unable to try to approach the Schizo bridge chip issue from a different route - all he ever seems to do is yell that Sun isn't open because of that chip... rather than trying to build a constructive working relationship with people from Sun who could actually help him. His preferences in this matter do him no credit.

I don't know, Theo has been pretty consistent about having an agenda to get hardware companies to open up their specs. It isn't so much that HE wants/needs the specs for that chip, he is trying to get Sun to open them up for _anyone_.

Building constructive relationships is all well and good, and it might have gotten Sun to give him the specs (probably under NDA or something). But it won't convince them to change _policy_, that requires a different kind of tactic.

Being that Sun is a very image aware company that is trying to put on a good face for the OSS community, openly berating them is probably as good a tactic as any.

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