Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 19th Jun 2007 10:29 UTC, submitted by binarycrusader
Oracle and SUN Simon Phipps of Sun has responded to the recent criticism of Sun's openness, pointing out that even releasing information that they may already have costs a lot of money. "Jonathan asked me to look into this, to ensure we're pursuing an open path across all of Sun, not simply the software group. We take all input seriously, and we can't solve all problems for all parties, but we're committed to doing our best to faithfully engage with all the communities we serve, in the same spirit as the existing Open Source Ombudsman Scheme. With the support of my team and others in the community I'll try to build a new scheme that is fair and transparent."
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RE: Come clean about SCO
by kaiwai on Tue 19th Jun 2007 14:28 UTC in reply to "Come clean about SCO"
kaiwai
Member since:
2005-07-06

One thing Sun needs to do is come clean about SCO and their involvement with them.


Pardon, what relationship with SCO? all I remember was the paying for some IP (probably relating to opensourcing Solaris) - I would hardly call giving SCO money in the single digits figures providing money for their war chest.

Contra to the conspiracy theories that exist; there is no covert relationship between SCO-Sun-Microsoft; The only relationship Microsoft has with Sun is the $2billion settlement which included $2billion cash plus access to Microsoft IP (as well as collaboration).

Edited 2007-06-19 14:36

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RE[2]: Come clean about SCO
by 2fargone on Tue 19th Jun 2007 16:38 in reply to "RE: Come clean about SCO"
2fargone Member since:
2006-02-20

http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20070602183551120

I am a SUN fan. If you go back through my posts you will read I wanted SUN to be the OSS darling, and not IBM.

But SUN's invlovement with SCO needs to explained. If it looks, walks, and quacks like a duck, more than likely, it's a duck. I'm too cynical to believe this is all coincidence. McNealy is gone now, so it's shouldn't be anything for Mr. Schwartz to just come out and be open about what happened. Otherwise it's a stumbling block. Ask yourself how can you fully trust someone who may have had involvement in a plot to subverse you in the past but won't talk about it when asked why? How can you? The obvious answer is you can't.

All they need to do is come clean about it. They don't even need to apologize, althought that would be nice, but they do need to come clean about it.

In the end, however, this is something that bolsters Theo's argument that SUN needs to do more to show they are really open. Because as it's stands, I don't trust SUN and I can't advise anyone interested in OSS to trust them either.

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RE[3]: Come clean about SCO
by kaiwai on Tue 19th Jun 2007 17:09 in reply to "RE[2]: Come clean about SCO"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

But SUN's invlovement with SCO needs to explained. If it looks, walks, and quacks like a duck, more than likely, it's a duck. I'm too cynical to believe this is all coincidence. McNealy is gone now, so it's shouldn't be anything for Mr. Schwartz to just come out and be open about what happened. Otherwise it's a stumbling block. Ask yourself how can you fully trust someone who may have had involvement in a plot to subverse you in the past but won't talk about it when asked why? How can you? The obvious answer is you can't.


Oh please, did you actually *read* the link - do you know what it is actually *ALL* about? what SCO says and what the relity is, as you and I well and truely bloody know, can be as far apart as New Zealand from the United States.

Microsoft licenced code from SCO to improve their services for UNIX offering; and Sun needed to purchase components that were still owned by SCO. Please, if Sun and Microsoft were *really* going to bank roll a litigation suite, wouldn't you think that firstly they would do it in an alot more concealed manner, and secondly, wouldn't you also conceed that they would need alot more money?

Sco will say any damn thing; of course they would say that "this is an IP purchase for UnixWare AND Linux" to make their case seem more legitimate - make it appear that two of the IT world largest companies are purchasing IP related to UnixWare AND Linux - when in reality, it is just UnixWare. Sun and Microsoft see the IP purchased as purely from UnixWare, SCO on the other hand seen that purchasing of UnixWare IP means they're also purchasing Linux IP.

Again, do a little reading analysing before screaming to the top of your lungs whilst claiming that there is some sort of grand conspiracy against Linux - if Linux isn't successful, it will have nothing to do with law suites or so-called 'voodoo' happening behind the scenes. It'll be something of its own making.

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