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Windows ITWire: "Linux users can, at times, be the worst kind of ingrates, whining and complaining about what they perceive as missing features in a free operating system. My advice to all such whingers: spend 10 days using the latest version of Windows and you'll realise that you are living in a world of relative bliss."
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RE[7]: read up
by Supreme Dragon on Sun 24th Jun 2007 00:07 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: read up"
Supreme Dragon
Member since:
2007-03-04

"Lower yes, not significantly. Not by todays standards. People have had 1ghz CPU's for many many years now."

Vista system requirements are inexcusable:
http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2005/09/07/vista_hardware_reqs/

"I don't care about the EULA. It belongs to me and I do as I please with it, as I have been and as I will continue to do. The EULA doesn't magically stop me from doing anything."

You should care about the Vista EULA, the EULA gives MS outrageous access to peoples computers. They are obviously abusing their monopoly.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/10/29/microsoft_vista_eula_analys...

"Linux gives me freedom? Freedom to bang my head against the wall? It doesn't allow me to do anything I can't do in windows. If anything it prevents me from doing what I want due to poor hardware support."

Linux has better hardware support than Vista and MS will be requiring "signed" drivers.
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060201-6098.html

"Quality? It's never been more stable than XP for me. I have always found it and the apps somewhat buggy.
There isn't even much choice. If anything I have far less choice in linux than in windows. Far fewer apps to choose from."

Linux has many good and DRM free programs available to use. 81 reasons to use Linux:
http://productreview.at/shopping.php?buy=Linux

"What the MPAA DRM protected HD content could do is lower the resolution if there is not an HDMI Video Card and HDMI monitor. That's it. Same requirement for a set top box and your TV. And that's ONLY if the MPAA enables it. Not Microsoft, not Vista, the MPAA."

Nobody forced MS to infect their OS with that garbage. MS could have chosen to oppose such drastic and unnecessary DRM infection, but instead they chose to conspire against their customers. MS is a truly untrustworthy and highly offensive monopolist, people should avoid their products when possible.

Edited 2007-06-24 00:13

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RE[8]: read up
by archer75 on Sun 24th Jun 2007 00:26 in reply to "RE[7]: read up"
archer75 Member since:
2005-10-17

"Vista system requirements are inexcusable:
http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2005/09/07/vista_hardware_reqs/"

I know what they are, I posted them. They aren't high. Most people have had computers than can run it for many many years.
Also your article is almost 2 years old and is no longer valid.

"You should care about the Vista EULA, the EULA gives MS outrageous access to peoples computers. They are obviously abusing their monopoly.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/10/29/microsoft_vista_eula_analys...

EULA has been through several revisions since then. And you are just being paranoid.


"Linux has better hardware support than Vista and MS will be requiring "signed" drivers.
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060201-6098.html"

Article is more than a year old.
I have Vista. I can use drivers that aren't signed. Just click to use unsigned drivers anyways. Works everytime. Though the vast majority of drivers are signed so it's not an issue.
All of my hardware on all of my computers work in Vista. They don't in Linux. Vista has better hardware support. All hardware vendors release Windows drivers. Very few release linux drivers. You can't even argue that Linux has better hardware support. It's just stupid and even the most rabid linux fanboy knows this.


"Linux has many good and DRM free programs available to use. 81 reasons to use Linux:
http://productreview.at/shopping.php?buy=Linux"

Many, sure. Good? Hardly.


"Nobody forced MS to infect their OS with that garbage. MS could have chosen to oppose such drastic and unnecessary DRM infection, but instead they chose to conspire against their customers. MS is a truly untrustworthy and highly offensive monopolist, people should avoid their products when possible."

Conspire against their customers? Their customers want to be able to play that content. How would they feel if they couldn't play it? It's there for those who want it and it doesn't affect those who don't. Best of both worlds.
It's not infested with DRM. It has no more than XP or OSX.
Again, it is only support for the DRM placed in media so that you can even play it in the first place.
If you have an HDCP video card and monitor there is nothing to worry about.
If you have no intention of playing such content you have nothing to worry about. It will affect you in absolutely no way.

In linux you can't play your HD-DVD or Blue Ray discs at all. How much fun is that? Not even in OSX.
I'm no fan of DRM but it's in the discs, not the OS. And the DRM on the discs doesn't interfere with anything I do at all. So it's not even an issue.

DRM in music, that's another story.

It's clear you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about and you have no interest in getting clue. You'd just rather spread your FUD. Have fun with that. It's been debunked over and over again.

Edited 2007-06-24 00:33

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RE[9]: read up
by Supreme Dragon on Sun 24th Jun 2007 01:20 in reply to "RE[8]: read up"
Supreme Dragon Member since:
2007-03-04

"They aren't high. Most people have had computers than can run it for many many years."

What are people getting for the increased system requirements? Vista offers nothing(except DRM) over XP SP2. MS should have just offered another service pack for XP instead of wasting billions on that Vista monstrosity.

"EULA has been through several revisions since then. And you are just being paranoid."

The EULA is vile, and MS can make it even more vile any time they choose. MS is being given too much control of people's computers, and people should be informed of such monopolistic abuse.

"Many, sure. Good? Hardly."

Linux market share is increasing everyday, and the number of program choices are increasing with it.

"I have Vista. I can use drivers that aren't signed. Just click to use unsigned drivers anyways. Works everytime. Though the vast majority of drivers are signed so it's not an issue."

MS could prevent the use of "unsigned" drivers at any time, they would probably claim it is for "security" reasons. It would just be another attempt to gain even more control of people's computers. MS should never be trusted.

"Very few release linux drivers. You can't even argue that Linux has better hardware support."

There have been many complaints about hardware(and software) not working with Vista. Linux has good hardware support and it is getting better everyday.

"Conspire against their customers? Their customers want to be able to play that content. How would they feel if they couldn't play it? It's there for those who want it and it doesn't affect those who don't. Best of both worlds."

DRM should not be forcibly integrated into the OS, people should be given a choice.

"In linux you can't play your HD-DVD or Blue Ray discs at all. How much fun is that? Not even in OSX."

That is why most people will be using regular DVD's and movie downloads on their computers.

"And the DRM on the discs doesn't interfere with anything I do at all."

The DRM is useless and does nothing to stop piracy, it just annoys paying customers.
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070115-8616.html

"It's clear you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about and you have no interest in getting clue. You'd just rather spread your FUD. Have fun with that. It's been debunked over and over again."

Informing people about a distasteful and objectionable monopolist and the nasty software it's "customers" are forced to buy is not spreading FUD. Many people will be switching to Linux because of MS's morally debased treatment of it's "customers".

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RE[9]: read up
by UltraZelda64 on Sun 24th Jun 2007 22:20 in reply to "RE[8]: read up"
UltraZelda64 Member since:
2006-12-05

archer75, do you work for Microsoft? 'Cause it sure seems like it... your comments reek of ignorance and typical Microsoft PR...

Want to continue using Windows? Well, have at it... just don't come back crying later on, as Microsoft has you bending over further while taking away even more of your rights and gaining more access to your computer... effectively making your money feel like more and more of a waste. I'm one of the (likely) many long-time Windows users (since Windows 95) who have successfully switched (from XP Pro) to Linux, due to getting extremely fed up with Microsoft and their ways, as well as the direction their OS was heading (which was none other than... backwards + bloat).

I've tried hundreds of Linux distros, and I honestly haven't found too many that just flat-out *don't* work for me. Yeah, it did take some determination, reading, learning, testing, and patience to to find what I want and dive in completely (no major OS change is 100% smooth). In the end, I'm about as happy now as I was in the Win95/98 days, when Microsoft's OSes felt light, fast, and had many fewer annoyances, as well as simpler customization. It makes my hardware (1.7GHz P4, 256MB expensive RD-RAM) really shine.

It's like the late 90's all over again, minus the nagging for security upgrades and virus/spyware protection.

I won't be surprised when eventually Microsoft enforces their EULA using technical means to restrict you from being able to do what you want to do, period, so you might want to watch your back. Hey, they've done such things before... I wouldn't put it past them. Good luck with your stay. As for me... well, I've got no plans to buy another PC as long as it comes with Windows installed, and Apple's Mac systems are looking nicer all the time.

Edited 2007-06-24 22:22

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