Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 24th Jun 2007 13:44 UTC
Graphics, User Interfaces Federkiel writes: "People working with Apple computers are used to a very consistent user experience. For a large part this stems from the fact that the Lisa type of GUI does not have the fight between MDI and SDI. The question simply never arises, because the Lisa type of GUI does not offer the choice to create either of both; it's something different all along. I usually think of it as 'MDI on steroids unified with a window manager'. It virtually includes all benefits of a SDI and and the benefits of an MDI." Read on for how I feel about this age-old discussion.
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RE: That's only a part of it
by Flatland_Spider on Sun 24th Jun 2007 15:36 UTC in reply to "That's only a part of it"
Flatland_Spider
Member since:
2006-09-01

So is pressing Cmd+O easier then just pressing Enter to open a document?
Is having to open the applications folder then drag an application to it easier then just double clicking a package to install?

Each platform has its own moments of stupidity.

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SlackerJack Member since:
2005-11-12

Well when you install something, you drag it from one place to another, why is that so unnatural on a computer?

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Flatland_Spider Member since:
2006-09-01

It didn't say it was unnatural.
I said it was more complicated, as in more steps are used to accomplish installing an application.

I like the entire package design as it is more sreamlined, and it makes backing up my Mac easy. What I don't like is the extras steps needed to get something installed. I'd rather be able to right click on a dmg and select an install option.

I guess I could write a script to do that, but I haven't looked into it.

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RE[2]: That's only a part of it
by Kroc on Sun 24th Jun 2007 16:41 in reply to "RE: That's only a part of it"
Kroc Member since:
2005-11-10

What, and pressing Ctrl+O is any different on Windows?
That's just one way of opening a file, it's not like you can't double click on a Mac.

I think what you were trying to say is Cmd+Down to open a file, like pressing Return in Windows. In OS X it's Cmd+Down to drill down folder / open files and Cmd+Up to return. It's Return / Backspace to do the same in Windows.

Most Disk Images for Mac Applications now include an alias to the Application folder, so you only need to drag the application an inch to install it; how is that any stupider than going through an MSI in Windows?

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Flatland_Spider Member since:
2006-09-01

Ctrl+O doesn't do anything in Windows.

Most of the time I select the window then type the name of the file to jump to it instead of scrolling through it with a mouse. I don't have to move from home row if the open file hotkey is enter. I do if it is Cmd+O.

I haven't tried Cmd+Down. Is that something specific to Mac's browser view? I'll have to test that when I get back home. That's not any better though. I still have to move off home row.

I use spatial view and Cmd+O is what works for me. I like the view where the folders scrolls inside the window; I can't remember what it's called at the moment though. I like how the structure can be navigated with just the arrow keys then opened with the open hotkey. I just don't have enough screen real estate to really run it the way I want to, 12" PowerBook.

Some of them don't have it. There are still a lot of DMGs that are just the application. If they have it it's nice, if not then I have to open the applications folder first. I'd still rather just right click, select install, and have the application magically appear in my App folder.

I wasn't trying prove Windows was better. I was just trying to point out even the Mac platform has it's quirks that could work better.

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RE[2]: That's only a part of it
by Jules on Sun 24th Jun 2007 17:41 in reply to "RE: That's only a part of it"
Jules Member since:
2007-01-30

So is selecting an icon and pressing F2 really more simple than selecting an icon and pressing enter when you want to rename an item in your file browser...

Select-enter does already have a useful function in the Finder.

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RE[3]: That's only a part of it
by axel on Sun 24th Jun 2007 17:59 in reply to "RE[2]: That's only a part of it"
axel Member since:
2006-02-04

well seeing as F2 and enter are the same number of buttons, actually it sorta is AS simple
and seeing as I don't tend to spend much time renaming files by hand in the file browser.
and seeing as it's also available from right clicking.
and seeing as i can also simply click on a file a second time after the double click time window is up.

I'd still say that enter, which in pretty much every application ever means activate/confirm, is the better choice.

Edited 2007-06-24 18:03

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nathbeadle Member since:
2006-08-08

Pressing CMD+O isn't easier, it's an extra keystroke and the keys aren't close to each other really. But that's not the point... this isn't about easy.

On a Mac, CMD+O is what you use to open anything, whether a folder or drive in the Finder, or a document in a program. On Windows ENTER only works in Explorer, and then you have to use CTRL+O within an application. Two different key strokes within the OS to do the same thing. Opening something.

I'm not sure if anyone else has had this (I'm sure I'm not alone) but just pressing Enter is a bother when you've selected a bunch of icons and accidentally hit ENTER and they all open! The CMD+O ensures you don't make these mistakes.

It's about the consistency and thought

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