Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 24th Jun 2007 13:44 UTC
Graphics, User Interfaces Federkiel writes: "People working with Apple computers are used to a very consistent user experience. For a large part this stems from the fact that the Lisa type of GUI does not have the fight between MDI and SDI. The question simply never arises, because the Lisa type of GUI does not offer the choice to create either of both; it's something different all along. I usually think of it as 'MDI on steroids unified with a window manager'. It virtually includes all benefits of a SDI and and the benefits of an MDI." Read on for how I feel about this age-old discussion.
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other issues
by transputer_guy on Sun 24th Jun 2007 18:31 UTC
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2005-07-08

I haven't seen much mention made of mouse buttons 1 v 2,3 or more and multiple clicks and mouse use v keyboard use.

As one get older, one's methods may need to change due to the sheer pain of RSI and even during an extended session the mode of use will change from use of multi clicks and mouse use to keyboard use and single clicks to avoid pain. It no longer makes sense to assume the fastest sequence will be the best way even over an hour since we need to change the exercise the digits get. Might as well build in 2 or more ways to do the same thing just to avoid RSI.

In some applications I may have to use 5-10 mouse actions over and over, if the developer had known what I was doing, they might have realized a single command to do the same thing would really speed things up. In the past I might have used a macro tool to repeat these sequences but they never really worked well.

Another issue that bothers me is the the notion of counting and sorting file names that have partial numerical values, say x1,x2,..x10,x11. It is pretty common to see files get sorted and placed in a folder in the wrong place because the sort is just plain wrong. Sorts done by character position of digits rather than by the digit decimal significance is just inexcusable.

The issue of menubar at top v each window pales in significance when these other factors are considered.

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RE: other issues
by renox on Sun 24th Jun 2007 20:58 in reply to "other issues"
renox Member since:
2005-07-06

Agreed.

As with the other issue, I would add:
- consistency: for example tab handling is vastly different from one app to another which is annoying.
On Unix, command-line due to history bagage is too different from the GUI: rm should move a file into the trash as the GUI does, there should be a single shortcut sequence for Copy be it in the GUI or in the console, etc.
- Undo-ability: every action should be undoable, now it's nice that we can reopen a closed tab on many application, but we should be able to do the same thing for a closed window.
- Data persistence (related), as much data as possible should be kept all the time. So that in case of failure/error, it is possible to go back quickly to the previous state.
- Responsiveness: applications should be at least as responsive as BeOS apps were.

And let's kill the 'start-up screens', and use instead a start-up window instead which you can iconify, kill (if you started the wrong application by mistake), put behind other window..

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RE[2]: other issues
by apoclypse on Sun 24th Jun 2007 21:30 in reply to "RE: other issues"
apoclypse Member since:
2007-02-17

Well first of all in *nix, each desktop environment handles its trash folder ina different way. Having rm send things to the trash bin means that rm is goign to have to know about every DE out there and what protocol or folder the trash bin is in. What about if you don't use a DE, wher is rm supposed to send the deleted items to. Changing its current behavior would be silly, not to mention break compatibilty with a majority if automake scripts out there. However, maybe writing a script that is named del after the windows function that does what you suggested might work for you.

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RE[3]: other issues
by transputer_guy on Mon 25th Jun 2007 01:50 in reply to "RE: other issues"
transputer_guy Member since:
2005-07-08

There is one thing I really wish to see the end of and thats the double click to open (or do anything). I could do this 20yrs ago with glee (even triple quad clicks) but now try to avoid them at all costs. I see in Ubuntu a switch to not use them but haven't really explored that yet.

There are just so many issues with each individual OS that I use BeOS, W2K, Ubuntu and probably KDE thats its not worth going over anymore given they can't or won't be fixed. I am curious if XP or Vista seriously changed any of the mouse click feel in Explorer, they look mostly the same to me, just shinier skin over the same core.

Q to any OS X users (and others)

In OS X do files named x1, x2, ,,, x10, x11 get listed in that order or the not quite right order. Do any OSes get this right.

Does OS X always remember the precise x,y coordinates of files arranged manually in a folder as it did in MacOS.

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