Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 25th Jun 2007 22:44 UTC
Windows As was to be expected, the Longhorn Reloaded team has been shut down by Microsoft. "It is with sad news that I have to inform you that today due to a cesit and decist letter we recived from Microsoft we are no longer able to provide you with a download link to Longhorn Reloaded. It deeply saddens me that although Microsoft hknew about this project for many months they only issued us with this notice a few days after we started to distribute the iso via torrents and ftp server."
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RE: Cooperations buys laws
by Morgul on Tue 26th Jun 2007 03:59 UTC in reply to "Cooperations buys laws"
Morgul
Member since:
2005-07-06

The customer is treated like a criminal is that the gratitude for bying a product you pay MS to betatest?
you get a new OS thats incompatible with anything and
you have to rent or crack it to make it work.


In this day and age of the DMCA, the end user is a criminal, nine times out of ten. It's a bit sad, but true. Technically, since I watch DVD's on my linux computer, I'm a criminal. Ah, C'est la vie.

But still when you move on to some company they have to use liscensed stuff for each computer one os for all pcs is not enough , if u get an os its logical to do whatever you want with it if you evolve it with better codebase it becomes another product .


Ok, I've a few points to make. First, if by 'one os' you mean one copy, you're right. It's not. And since Microsoft created the OS in question, they legally can say you had to smear yourself with mud and dance half naked in the streets of Baghdad for each copy of the OS you install. It's their product, you don't have to buy it if you don't like the terms.

Secondly, it is logical to take an OS and evolve it. However, when you do that it becomes a 'derivative work'. In plain English it means no matter what changes you make to it, it's still based off something else, and hence, you need to make sure it's ok with the guys who first wrote it before showing people the work you did to it. Thankfully there's wonderful Open Source OSes that are quite willing to let you do just this. It's a shame Microsoft isn't as open to it as we would like, but really... did you expect them to be? I didn't.

Now they kill of an intresting OS that could probably evolve into a stable and nice OS.


This is what I really wanted to comment on. I venture to say that what you claim is impossible. ReactOS has been trying to do what would need to be done to achieve what you claim for years... and they're still working on it. You see, without the source code, there is _no way_ to make improvements to Longhorn. Ok, this isn't entirely true, but to do it would have been so mind blowingly painful that progress would be slow. And in two years... who's really going to want Longhorn? Heck Vista's hardly 6 months old and no one wants it anymore...

However they could just make a distro of Reactos and continue with longhorn reloaded over the reactos codebase ofcause that would mean a better UI than the crappy ROS bloat hybrid between win98 and win3.11 explorer without webbyness and overactive desktop as longhorn was intended to be.


I'm really confused here. IF they went with ReactOS, they would first need to work on ReactOS enough that they could solve the remaining issues with ReactOS. (Like increasing compatibility. Then they could work on shining up the GUI. Since ReactOS was written from the ground up, and is based on the much slimmer, more utilitarian win98/2k GUI... what bloat are you talking about?

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RE[2]: Cooperations buys laws
by sukru on Tue 26th Jun 2007 04:08 in reply to "RE: Cooperations buys laws"
sukru Member since:
2006-11-19

"In this day and age of the DMCA, the end user is a criminal, nine times out of ten. It's a bit sad, but true. Technically, since I watch DVD's on my linux computer, I'm a criminal. Ah, C'est la vie."


Just wanted to remind that contract violation is not a crime (it just nullifies the contract).

Additionally playing DVDs on linux is also not a crime. There are already "licensed" alternatives, and DeCSS is no longer a trade secret [ http://www.eff.org/IP/Video/DVDCCA_case/20040122_eff_pr.php ], too.

Finally this has nothing to do with the EULAs, people just "can't" redistribute others' programs even if they "fix" them (without permission of course).

Edited 2007-06-26 04:09

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RE[3]: Cooperations buys laws
by Obscurus on Tue 26th Jun 2007 06:28 in reply to "RE[2]: Cooperations buys laws"
Obscurus Member since:
2006-04-20

Just wanted to remind that contract violation is not a crime (it just nullifies the contract).


It isn't subject to criminal law, but under civil law, you can be sued for breach of contract. Don't think you can just breach any old contract and get away with it, you will most likely be penalised. In fact, penalties for breach of contract can run into the billions of dollars, and if you don't or can't pay, you may wind up in prison. Breach of contract is not a trivial thing - contracts, whether verbal or long formal documents, are the glue that holds society together, and the law does not treat those who breach contracts lightly.

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RE[3]: Cooperations buys laws
by WyldStylist on Tue 26th Jun 2007 06:22 in reply to "RE: Cooperations buys laws"
WyldStylist Member since:
2006-12-30

The bloat i mentioned goes to the reactos resource department in their intepretation of the Explorer shell , from the beginning it was 200 kb , when you with reshacker strip xp explorer.exe of the never used resources like bitmaps and icons you get around 320 kb , strip resources from shell32.dll 3.00 mb i know i've done it and it increases performance since it loads smaller files, i basically removed all 48x48 icons, left only 16x16 and 32x32 intact, placed 1 byte dummy icons for never used icons and for the ones that i use i have 256 colours , also i removed the overactive desktop functionality and use k-meleon only. however the 1 mb explorer.exe in reactos looks like bloat to me, no matter how much you reshack it it will stay big and messy, windows xp gui is incompatible with reactos, and yeah its slow dont get me wrong but reactos shell32.dll on install never does a cleanup on languages it takes up all possible languages stored inside (that too takes space and eats memory).
The version for "optional" overactive desktop is like deleting mshtml.dll from winntsystem32 folder not more.
Thats why a new distro need to be made , one with logical GUI without Active Desktop spyware feast, and after that focus on compatibility /network/drivers/ntfs support.
Not first build the bloat and after that the importain things.
But making a gui that is compatible with the xp/2003/win2000 gui would be nice , preferably to behave like an nt4 gui since the nt4 gui was quite decent before all patches, if they want graphical extras sure but make em not so integrated so they can be easily toasted .
smss.exe,lsass.exe are but examples there should be a way with command line to reboot too if people run advanced to test the os speed.
Come on dont we want reactos to surpass Windows?
Winlogon doesn't even need to be running same with RPC
(kill that and no taskbar bug after restart on xp)
Then we have the svchost instances only 1 needed, for sound (if your a gamer) come on how does miranda Im beat ICQ and Msn? it aint memoryhungry
Personally i encourage Reactos project i just would like more innovation in saving system resources instead of adding more fat and whats up with the wine based shell32?
Also a good idea would be to do like in win95 days easily unmark the stuff that wont be installed so everybody gets happy and i dont get "dont you know how dirt cheap ram is?" comments cause a good os that use very little system resources but is compatible with the systems makes excellent gaming os.
Thats why i would encourage a stand alone continuation of reactos project like Longhorn reloaded , they can rename it anything like for example Devilhorn to avoid ms attention ;)

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RE[4]: Cooperations buys laws
by Obscurus on Tue 26th Jun 2007 06:33 in reply to "RE[3]: Cooperations buys laws"
Obscurus Member since:
2006-04-20

The bloat i mentioned goes to the reactos resource department in their intepretation of the Explorer shell , from the beginning it was 200 kb... ...however the 1 mb explorer.exe in reactos looks like bloat to me...


In the days of terrabyte hard drives, do you really think a few hundred kilobytes here or there is bloat?

Even if it was 10Mb, on a modern computer, that is far from bloat. OK, if you are still using a 486 with 16Mb of RAM, you might have problems, but on a typical 2007 PC, a 1Mb executable is trivially small (i.e., not bloat).

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RE[4]: Cooperations buys laws
by hornett on Tue 26th Jun 2007 08:15 in reply to "RE[3]: Cooperations buys laws"
hornett Member since:
2005-09-19

however the 1 mb explorer.exe in reactos looks like bloat to me, no matter how much you reshack it it will stay big and messy


Since it's still alpha grade software, perhaps they are not stripping the debug symbols from their binaries so that they can get useful stack traces and so on.

Just a thought...

Edited 2007-06-26 08:15

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Flatland_Spider Member since:
2006-09-01

But making a gui that is compatible with the xp/2003/win2000 gui would be nice , preferably to behave like an nt4 gui since the nt4 gui was quite decent before all patches.


If you run gpedit.msc and root around, you'll find a way to switch the shell back to classic mode.

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