Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 28th Jun 2007 21:39 UTC, submitted by jayson.knight
Windows Microsoft is simplifying the processes via which its PC-maker partners will be able to provide 'downgrade' rights from Windows Vista to Windows XP for their customers. Microsoft will implement the first of the policy changes for its Gold Certified (top-tier) OEM partners within the next couple of weeks. The company will streamline downgrade-rights policies and procedures for the broader channel somewhat later, said John Ball, general manager of Microsoft's US Systems Group.
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The Upgrade Treadmill has ENDED!!!
by Coral Snake on Fri 29th Jun 2007 00:56 UTC
Coral Snake
Member since:
2005-07-07

I think it is high time for Microsoft to admit that their upgrade treadmill in proprietary operating systems has ENDED. If I were running MS now I would seriously consider:

1. Dropping Windows Vista as a flop.

2. Ending the Product Activation requirement in and open sourcing Windows XP and the development systems for it under NOT the GPL but a license of my own making that allows for continued proprietary software developemnt on the system as well as full open development rights for what would become the Windows XP community. I would also open source some MS legacy software like Visual Basic 3 and 6, Visual C++ 1 and 6, Windows 9x, Windows 3.1 and DOS 6.2 under the same licensing terms to revive legacy computers rather than dumping them while they can still work reasonably well. Windows XP would continue to be the main preload OS for commercial computers but WITHOUT the infamous Microsoft Operating System tax.

3. Continuing to make money off of preloads of non OS software such as Office for computer systems intended for workstations and MS games for ported from X Box to Windows for computers intended as gaming/multimedia platforms.

I believe that Microsoft is really missing out on a stratagy that could LEGITIMATELY beat Linux and give the company the good name it had in the late 1980s by not following a stratagy like this now that their proprietary OS treadmill is at an end.

Reply Score: 3

jayson.knight Member since:
2005-07-06

"Dropping Windows Vista as a flop."

So what you're saying is that the billions of dollars you invested in this 'flop' mean nothing, and are expendable? Your shareholders would eat you alive (and almost decidedly vote you out of the company), and you'd personally piss off the 10,000 employees who poured their blood sweat and tears into this product...they'd leave in droves as they'd have zero confidence in management.

"Ending the Product Activation requirement"

Thus opening up the floodgates for piracy. It's funny how no one who has actually purchased a license has any qualms with PA.

"but a license of my own making that allows for continued proprietary software developemnt on the system as well as full open development rights for what would become the Windows XP community."

Just what we need, YALC (Yet Another License Scheme). You seem to forget that most of the MS MVP's have full access to Windows source code, and regularly submit bug fixes.

"Continuing to make money off of preloads of non OS software such as Office for computer systems"

Let's offer up our bread and butter, our core workhorse upon which all of our other software is built upon, for free?

"I believe that Microsoft is really missing out on a stratagy that could LEGITIMATELY beat Linux"

MS is already beating Linux...they've actually never been losing.

Reply Parent Score: 4

jlarocco Member since:
2005-09-14

So what you're saying is that the billions of dollars you invested in this 'flop' mean nothing, and are expendable? Your shareholders would eat you alive (and almost decidedly vote you out of the company), and you'd personally piss off the 10,000 employees who poured their blood sweat and tears into this product...they'd leave in droves as they'd have zero confidence in management.


The term is "sunk cost." If you were an investor, would you rather the company stop now, after spending several billion dollars, or stop in a few years, after spending several billion dollars more on top of what they've already spent? I admit there's no real "good" way to go about that, but at some point you've got to cut your losses.

Not that I think Microsoft should do that. In time, Vista will be a success, simply because at some point, they'll stop offering XP, and most people won't realize they have any other choice.

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Mkane Member since:
2007-05-01

"MS is already beating Linux...they've actually never been losing."jayson.knight

MS is trying to keep that from happening with empty threats, bought politicans, etc... Linux will be a problem for MS and MS knows this.

By the way I have a retail version of Vista Home Prem. Installed the 32bit version first. I ordered the 64 bit version and deleted the 32 bit version. I had to activate Vista 64 several times for some reason. Then I had to call MS about the activation. I updated the firmware to my DVDR, updated to the latest VIA drivers, and disabled onboard 10100. BONK.....the activation message hit again! I called MS..... Keep in mind this was the same system but MS could not stand it that I unistalled the 32 bit Vista and installed the 64bit on that I had ordered.

It's crap like this that makes me wonder why in the world I wasted $$$$ on Vista!

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sbenitezb Member since:
2005-07-22

It's crap like this that makes me wonder why in the world I wasted $$$$ on Vista!


Because you are stupid?

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Bully Member since:
2006-04-07

> I believe that Microsoft is really missing out on a
> stratagy that could LEGITIMATELY beat Linux and give
> the company the good name it had in the late 1980s by
> not following a stratagy like this now that their
> proprietary OS treadmill is at an end.

Microsoft had a good name?

Reply Parent Score: 1

Almafeta Member since:
2007-02-22

Back then, Microsoft was considered the plucky young visonary upstart sticking it to the no-result daydreamers and imaginationless old stodgy businessmen alike... sort of the way George Lucas was considered back when he made THX 1138.

Heck, to illustrate the kind of competition they fought against: I had an IBM PC from the early 90s once. Their cases were kept locked by special keys that only Authorized IBM Distributors could open, so if as much as a cable came loose, you'd have to go back to them and pay to get it repaired -- and they typically would only repair it for a few years, after which you were expected to upgrade again. The case had a single point of control (somehow, they tied all the connectors to that one key), and if you tried to open your case any other way, you would not be able to get your computer repaired. Freedom from this sort of hardware lockin was revolutionary.

Not to mention they made software that other companies used to grow and thrive. How many companies used some form of MSBasic, or implemented the MSX standard?

Evil as Microsoft is considered nowadays, they slew far greater evils in the marketplace.

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Rayz Member since:
2006-06-24

>> 1. Dropping Windows Vista as a flop. <<

After six months Vista is already running on more desktops that Linux has managed in ten years.

Yup, if only Linux could 'flop' like that then we might actually see some competition ...

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raver31 Member since:
2005-07-06

And where do you get these figures from ?
Did you magically pluck them from your head ?

Vista might indeed be sold on a lot of new machines, but can anyone here tell me exactly how many people (who are IT savvy), actually run Vista ?

I know 1
I know 2 others that use it as it came with the new PCs and they do not know how to change.

Everyone else removed it and reverted back to XP

I have also noticed an increase in the amount of people asking for install discs for Ubuntu or LinuxMint.

Reply Parent Score: 2