Elive, the distribution dedicated to E16 and E17, has reached the magical 1.0 barrier. "This version is ready for the end-users and not just hard core testers. It is a more intuitive easy to use and more efficient system. It has better integration of the file-manager and the mime-types, a nice kernel especially for multimedia and big processes loads, a light weight foot print, much better compatibility with your (possible) Windows system/software, more hardware supported, better graphical recognition, and many more things that you can find in the complete changelog."
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Member since:2007-06-27
I'm not so sure about the 'eternal beta' or any of that: Given that they're building all of their toolkits (almost) from the ground up (and doing quite a good job of it too, I must admit I'm jealous of some of the ideas), three years isn't a very long time. And I'm not sure how something can be in beta, and have people complain about a stable release, when there hasn't even been an official release yet.
I want to see a stable E17 as much as the next person, but I can also appreciate withholding until it's done - especially since desktop icons were only recently added. They'll get there in time, and I suspect when they do, they'll make stable releases as often as they do of E16.
Edited 2007-07-07 01:00
Member since:2006-09-19
I want to see a stable E17 as much as the next person, but I can also appreciate withholding until it's done - especially since desktop icons were only recently added. They'll get there in time, and I suspect when they do, they'll make stable releases as often as they do of E16.
Well, correct me if I'm wrong. But was there any stable releases between 2003 and 2006?
Seams to me that e16 was abandoned for about 3 years and then couple updates done on it this year.
And e17 is now in devel for what, over 2 years?
What are people supposed to use in meantime?
You can't stop development, start a new development, and release nothing for 3 years.
And it's not a whole OS, just a desktop so devel should not take that long for at least first stable release.
Well, it doesn't matter, people have to use something meantime, so most moved to KDE, Gnome etc.
E17 overdeveloped itself into irrelevance since it take s a lot to get people and companies to change their destop environment they're used to.
Member since:2005-08-03
I agree shapeshifter, begging for donations won't ever pay the bills for them, purely because people in general are bombarded daily with people asking money for things, begging will only keep them an underground geek project.
I think the PC-BSD and Ubuntu models of companies backing up the distros financially would work better than a few hundred dollars from a few geeks IMHO.
Mod me down if you will; the Elive forums look like an after thought compared to PC-BSD and Ubuntu, this is only constructive criticism if they want to hit the mainstream users and if they want a bigger ground swell of user rapport.
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2006-09-19
Yes, I agree.
A simply "Donate" button with a one or two-liner would be more than enough to get those who want to donate.
But instead the download page feels like a sleazy used car salesman.
After reading that page I decided I don't want to have anything to do with elive.
Funny, I put 0 into the donation box and it still opened a paypal payment page.
Secondly, e17 is really taking too long to reach stable status.
If they don't have enough people then that's understandable but if they're like Mplayer, having eternal beta status then that's bad for attracting users.
Most serious users will not use a beta package, especially on production machines so it's important to have a stable release.
And it's important to have a stable release at least once a year.
If it's longer between releases then it makes people nervous as to the status of the project.
Is the project dead, is it reliable, is it going to be around in 6 months when an update is needed? Wil it provide security updates?