Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 30th Aug 2005 17:44 UTC
Talk, Rumors, X Versus Y Paul Thurrot (there he is again) compares Vista Beta 1 to Tiger: "For Windows enthusiasts, Windows Vista Beta 1 is a much-needed demonstration that Microsoft can still churn out valuable Windows releases, after years of doubt. For Mac OS X users, however, Windows Vista Beta 1 engenders a sense of deja vu. Isn't a lot of this stuff already in Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger?"
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RE: Hardly fair ..
by jsumners on Tue 30th Aug 2005 18:14 UTC in reply to "Hardly fair .."
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How is it not fair? A beta is meant to test a products final features for bugs before release. So, it stands to reason that what you see in the beta is either the final product or the final product plus some stuff that won't make the cut.

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RE[2]: Hardly fair ..
by sappyvcv on Tue 30th Aug 2005 18:20 in reply to "RE: Hardly fair .."
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Usually, you would be correct. However, Microsoft has done things different for a LONG time. Anyone who expects a Microsoft Windows beta to be feature complete is kidding themselves and needs a big smack to the back of the head.

It's been clearly explained many times before that betas are not feature complete, but more akin to alphas, and that RCs are more akin to betas. Yes, it's odd, but it's how MS does things. There is nothing wrong with it.

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RE[3]: Hardly fair ..
by jsumners on Tue 30th Aug 2005 18:23 in reply to "RE[2]: Hardly fair .."
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Well, that is just silly. It should be called what it is.

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RE[3]: Hardly fair ..
by on Tue 30th Aug 2005 20:19 in reply to "RE[2]: Hardly fair .."
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Usually, you would be correct. However, Microsoft has done things different for a LONG time. Anyone who expects a Microsoft Windows beta to be feature complete is kidding themselves and needs a big smack to the back of the head.

In every instance in the past, Microsoft has removed features in the beta when the OS is finally released ... not added more in. (Note: I am not including bundled non-system level parts such as Plus.)

It's been clearly explained many times before that betas are not feature complete, but more akin to alphas, and that RCs are more akin to betas. Yes, it's odd, but it's how MS does things. There is nothing wrong with it.

It doesn't match how they handled things in the past.

Why do you think that this time it will be different?

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RE[3]: Hardly fair ..
by on Wed 31st Aug 2005 03:28 in reply to "RE[2]: Hardly fair .."
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So that means the shipping product is more akin to a release candidate? You are telling me there is nothing wrong with that?

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RE[2]: Hardly fair ..
by on Wed 31st Aug 2005 02:26 in reply to "RE: Hardly fair .."
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One is a product you can use now. The won't won't be for sale til sometime in the future.

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RE[3]: Hardly fair ..
by on Wed 31st Aug 2005 02:35 in reply to "RE[2]: Hardly fair .."
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What is your point? I never said the features might not be buggy. In fact, I said they might not even make it into the final product. I did say that the two products can fairly be compared, though. Vista is Microsoft's next generation operating system and OS X Tiger is Apple's; thus, the two can be compared if consideration is given to the fact that the features in the beta OS will have some bugs adn may not even be in the final product.

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