Linked by Eugenia Loli on Thu 12th Jul 2007 19:23 UTC, submitted by wibbit
Apple Apple has bought the CUPS code base, and has hired it's lead developer. "CUPS was written by Michael R Sweet, an owner of Easy Software Products. In February of 2007 Apple Inc. hired Michael and acquired ownership the CUPS source code. While Michael is primarily working on non-CUPS projects, he will continue to develop and support CUPS, which is still being released under the existing GPL2/LGPL2 licensing terms."
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nonsense
by Oliver on Thu 12th Jul 2007 20:29 UTC
Oliver
Member since:
2006-07-15

Apple is no friend of opensource, but it's a big user of free technologies. Period.

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RE: nonsense
by meianoite on Thu 12th Jul 2007 22:02 in reply to "nonsense"
meianoite Member since:
2006-04-05

DOUBLE nonsense. Go check what Apple does for LLVM, will you?

LLVM is crucial technology, Apple employed Chris Lattner, and guess what, it released the ARM LLVM backend in a BSD license. Not APSL, not CDDL, but BSD. But I'm sure some people would still insist it's not good enough and it should be released in the public domain instead.

There's been a word coined to refer to this attitude: trolling.

Same thing when people complained Apple made it impossible to merge their Webkit work into the KHTML mainline. Well, guess what, a much needed code reorganisation and plenty of work trying to untie KHTML and Qt can't be easily merged back, by definition. I saw less than a handful of actual KHTML developers complaining, but the peanut gallery was in uproar!

This holier than thou bs is really, really getting me on my nerves. 100% of businesses exist to make money, and as such they will do what makes sense to them.

And in Apple's case so far there's been absolutely no freeloading, and no hidden agenda is to be found as soon as you keep in mind they are a business; get over it.

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RE[2]: nonsense
by cyclops on Thu 12th Jul 2007 23:15 in reply to "RE: nonsense"
cyclops Member since:
2006-03-12

"LLVM is crucial technology, Apple employed Chris Lattner, and guess what, it released the ARM LLVM backend in a BSD license. Not APSL, not CDDL, but BSD"

I can't find the reference but I'm pretty certain LLVM is under a LLVM license and this post http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/2005-11/msg00888.html is pretty much what I would expect to be happening. It describes the license as BSD-like so I'm assuming that the license in question is LLVM license. http://llvm.org/releases/1.3/LICENSE.TXT

I personally didn't call them for branching Webkits code, although I'm happy you acknowledge khtml developers weren't happy, but to argue that its not an argument for apple *contributing* to anothers project.

Edited 2007-07-12 23:26

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RE[2]: nonsense
by exigentsky on Thu 12th Jul 2007 22:45 in reply to "nonsense"
exigentsky Member since:
2005-07-09

Don't you just love how paranoid some people in the FSF are? It seems most times, a company has to go bankrupt before these people realize that it was helping them all along. It's just ridiculous.

I still remember how Linspire was viewed as the devil because it didn't conform to every single demand of the FS movement because they had some proprietary code too. However, it contributed a lot of code, marketing and money to over two dozen FS projects. Here is a list of some of their contributions: http://info.lindows.com/opensource/ SUN also has been crucified countless times and they are probably the biggest corporate contributor to FS. They have invested billions into FS. This includes, OpenSolaris, Java, OpenOffice, GNOME and dozens of other projects I can't remember off the top of my head. Yet they probably got more bad PR overall. Apple too is definitely no foe of open source. They need open source in order to be more standardized and to cut costs. They've also contributed heavily to FreeBSD, GCC, KHTML, and even released Darwin as OSS. http://developer.apple.com/opensource/index.html But no, Apple is no friend of FS either. They didn't go bankrupt, so it's not clear if they aren't planning some SUPER EVIL conspiracy against FS. It seems to me that a lot of people in the FSF movement need to look before shooting because if this continues, the FSF movement really won't have any friends. A company seems to do better in terms of PR by not contributing anything to the FS movement because helping will get you shot. It's pathetic.

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RE[3]: nonsense
by sbergman27 on Thu 12th Jul 2007 22:52 in reply to "RE[2]: nonsense"
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

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Don't you just love how paranoid some people in the FSF are?
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Not really. The paranoia concerns me.

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I still remember how Linspire was viewed as the devil because it didn't conform to every single demand of the FS movement because they had some proprietary code too.
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I was giving them the benefit of the doubt until they began to actively collude with Microsoft to legitimize the idea of paying patent royalties to MS for using *other* operating systems.

You picked a really bad example, there. The FSF paranoics were right on that one.

Oh. And "every single demand"? Straw man technique, that. Very unbecomming.

Edited 2007-07-12 22:56

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