Linked by Eugenia Loli on Thu 12th Jul 2007 19:23 UTC, submitted by wibbit
Apple Apple has bought the CUPS code base, and has hired it's lead developer. "CUPS was written by Michael R Sweet, an owner of Easy Software Products. In February of 2007 Apple Inc. hired Michael and acquired ownership the CUPS source code. While Michael is primarily working on non-CUPS projects, he will continue to develop and support CUPS, which is still being released under the existing GPL2/LGPL2 licensing terms."
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RE[7]: Re: Say What?
by cyclops on Thu 12th Jul 2007 21:45 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: Re: Say What?"
cyclops
Member since:
2006-03-12

I'm glad you took time to respond.

webkit is a branch of KHTML, as opposed to Apple *contributing* to KHTML.

Bonjour/Open Directory is Apples own code.

Darin actually includes nothing interesting like API for Carbon and Cocoa APIs or the Quartz Compositor and Aqua user interface, its own drivers are binary, yet is from FreeBSD

Apple is leeching of open source developers again these services have equivalents in the GNU world, Apple *contributed* to none of them.

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RE[8]: Re: Say What?
by ronaldst on Thu 12th Jul 2007 21:50 in reply to "RE[7]: Re: Say What?"
ronaldst Member since:
2005-06-29

Apple is leeching of open source developers again these services have equivalents in the GNU world, Apple *contributed* to none of them.


Apple contributed to Webkit/KHTML.

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RE[8]: Re: Say What?
by meianoite on Thu 12th Jul 2007 22:09 in reply to "RE[7]: Re: Say What?"
meianoite Member since:
2006-04-05

Darin actually includes nothing interesting like API for Carbon and Cocoa APIs or the Quartz Compositor and Aqua user interface, its own drivers are binary, yet is from FreeBSD

Darwin is not FreeBSD, and *plenty* of Apple-developed drivers are open as well. Just go and check the sources instead of just relaying words you heard elsewhere; your well-informed source unfortunately happened to be a troll.

Still: come on people! Have you *never* heard of NDAs?!?! You talk as if Apple naturally HAD to open up everything they licensed from someone else, from trivial but patented technology, to core drivers!

Sheesh.

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RE[9]: Re: Say What?
by cyclops on Thu 12th Jul 2007 22:19 in reply to "RE[8]: Re: Say What?"
cyclops Member since:
2006-03-12

"Darwin is not FreeBSD, and *plenty* of Apple-developed drivers are open as well."

Sorry I was under the impression that.

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"It supports the POSIX API by way of its FreeBSD lineage and can run a large number of programs written for various other Unix-like systems."
Source
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_(operating_system)


I'm sorry I didn't realize their Airport drivers were now open.

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RE[8]: Re: Say What?
by Adam S on Thu 12th Jul 2007 22:21 in reply to "RE[7]: Re: Say What?"
Adam S Member since:
2005-04-01

Apple is leeching of open source developers again these services have equivalents in the GNU world, Apple *contributed* to none of them.


Isn't that just a bit trivial and nitpicky? They took open source code, made changes, and released it again with improvements. Webkit was KHTML, but now it's Webkit and it's open source, and browsers like Shiira and Swift benefit from that code. Its still open source, they aren't responsible for retrofitting it to KDE's projects too, are they? Seriously, all fanboyism aside, isn't this the same goodwill?

I'm reminded of a line from A Few Good Men: "I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide, then questions the manner in which I provide it!"

Your computer may have benefitted from the open code that Apple wrote. It could, but to suggest they have an obligation to make their changes work in other software too is stretching it. In general, I think the distinction between contributing open code vs. contributing open code to a project is a trivial one though.

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RE[9]: Re: Say What?
by milles21 on Fri 13th Jul 2007 14:53 in reply to "RE[8]: Re: Say What?"
milles21 Member since:
2006-11-08

I can't say anything but well said so many people fail to make the distinction between open code vs. contributing open code to a project. If people feel that strongly the code is out there why don't they contribute it to a project.

So many people want to impose their beliefs on an entire community and say this is the way you should do this but the truth is that, that does not work for everyone. One persons model is different from another.

Apple has contributed and they are advancing both Linux and Unix if by nothing else, they promote the Unix under pinnings that allows users to be familar with the term. Have we also forgotten that Leopard is now branded Open Brand Unix.

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