Linked by Eugenia Loli on Thu 12th Jul 2007 19:23 UTC, submitted by wibbit
Apple Apple has bought the CUPS code base, and has hired it's lead developer. "CUPS was written by Michael R Sweet, an owner of Easy Software Products. In February of 2007 Apple Inc. hired Michael and acquired ownership the CUPS source code. While Michael is primarily working on non-CUPS projects, he will continue to develop and support CUPS, which is still being released under the existing GPL2/LGPL2 licensing terms."
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RE[12]: Re: Say What?
by meianoite on Thu 12th Jul 2007 23:09 UTC in reply to "RE[11]: Re: Say What?"
meianoite
Member since:
2006-04-05

And yet Linux has open source drivers for those.http://www.linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers and those drives came about becuase of *contributions* by companies.


Oh, dear... If only you dug a little deeper.

From the page you just linked, click the "bcm43xx (Broadcom chips)" link. Go to the bottom of the page. Open the "driver homepage" link, under "External links"

You'll arrive here: http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/

Read the very first sentence, which I quote here: "Broadcom never released details about these chips. So this driver is based upon reverse engineered specifications."

And I assure you, this situations saddens me to the extreme. For instance, I'd love to use FreeBSD as the primary OS on my laptop, but unfortunately Intel is slacking on releasing specs for their 3945ABG cards.

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RE[13]: Re: Say What?
by cyclops on Thu 12th Jul 2007 23:23 in reply to "RE[12]: Re: Say What?"
cyclops Member since:
2006-03-12

Oh, dear... If only you dug a little deeper.

From the page you just linked, click the "bcm43xx (Broadcom chips)" link. Go to the bottom of the page. Open the "driver homepage" link, under "External links"
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I was referring to Atheros from *your* list of ccompanies http://zd1211.wiki.sourceforge.net/VendorDriver.

But lets face it a competing kernel manages Open source drivers where Apple fail to deliver...and they can pick and choose their hardware.

It saddens me more that you make claims of support for open-source and yet buy hardware, from companies that don't support it. I bought my wireless cards from ZyDAS becuase of their support for open-source. Clearly you or Apple do not think that way. Oddly *intel* *contributed* the ieee80211 wireless stack.

Intel have been a *major* *contributer* to open source and I have benefited from their work personally, but you can see over their behavior over OLPC there are no *good* companies.

Edited 2007-07-12 23:30

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RE[14]: Re: Say What?
by meianoite on Thu 12th Jul 2007 23:34 in reply to "RE[13]: Re: Say What?"
meianoite Member since:
2006-04-05

I was referring to Atheros from *your* list of ccompanies http://zd1211.wiki.sourceforge.net/VendorDriver.


Except that you failed to notice WHEN ZyDAS began releasing those sources: 2004/2005 timeframe
http://dsd.object4.net/zd1211-vendor/ChangeLog.txt

By then Apple had already stopped using Atheros chips.

But enough cat and mouse, ok? We already made our points.

But lets face it a competing kernel manages Open source drivers where Apple fail to deliver...and they can pick and choose their hardware.


Now you're saying Apple failed to release OPEN SOURCE drivers when they were previously closed and had their internal Apple development covered by NDA?! And you're comparing them to either reverse-engineered drivers or drivers that ended up being contributed at a much later timeframe than what was relevant to Apple?

It saddens me more that you make claims of support for open-source and yet buy hardware, from companies that don't support it. I bought my wireless cards from ZyDAS becuase of their support for open-source. Clearly you or Apple do not think that way. Oddly *intel* *contributed* the ieee80211 wireless stack.


As mentioned before, ZyDAS support for open source came at a much later date. And the 3945ABG card on my laptop is built in, not add-on. And I bought this laptop because I could afford its price; it had nothing to do with the luxury of only choosing select, FreeBSD-supported hardware.

Again: enough cat and mouse, we both made our points. There was no wrongdoing in Apple's actions in this regard.

Edit: he edited, I edited, else it would lose context and stop making sense

Edited 2007-07-12 23:42

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