Linked by Eugenia Loli on Thu 12th Jul 2007 19:23 UTC, submitted by wibbit
Apple Apple has bought the CUPS code base, and has hired it's lead developer. "CUPS was written by Michael R Sweet, an owner of Easy Software Products. In February of 2007 Apple Inc. hired Michael and acquired ownership the CUPS source code. While Michael is primarily working on non-CUPS projects, he will continue to develop and support CUPS, which is still being released under the existing GPL2/LGPL2 licensing terms."
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RE[13]: Re: Say What?
by cyclops on Thu 12th Jul 2007 23:23 UTC in reply to "RE[12]: Re: Say What?"
cyclops
Member since:
2006-03-12

Oh, dear... If only you dug a little deeper.

From the page you just linked, click the "bcm43xx (Broadcom chips)" link. Go to the bottom of the page. Open the "driver homepage" link, under "External links"
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I was referring to Atheros from *your* list of ccompanies http://zd1211.wiki.sourceforge.net/VendorDriver.

But lets face it a competing kernel manages Open source drivers where Apple fail to deliver...and they can pick and choose their hardware.

It saddens me more that you make claims of support for open-source and yet buy hardware, from companies that don't support it. I bought my wireless cards from ZyDAS becuase of their support for open-source. Clearly you or Apple do not think that way. Oddly *intel* *contributed* the ieee80211 wireless stack.

Intel have been a *major* *contributer* to open source and I have benefited from their work personally, but you can see over their behavior over OLPC there are no *good* companies.

Edited 2007-07-12 23:30

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RE[14]: Re: Say What?
by meianoite on Thu 12th Jul 2007 23:34 in reply to "RE[13]: Re: Say What?"
meianoite Member since:
2006-04-05

I was referring to Atheros from *your* list of ccompanies http://zd1211.wiki.sourceforge.net/VendorDriver.


Except that you failed to notice WHEN ZyDAS began releasing those sources: 2004/2005 timeframe
http://dsd.object4.net/zd1211-vendor/ChangeLog.txt

By then Apple had already stopped using Atheros chips.

But enough cat and mouse, ok? We already made our points.

But lets face it a competing kernel manages Open source drivers where Apple fail to deliver...and they can pick and choose their hardware.


Now you're saying Apple failed to release OPEN SOURCE drivers when they were previously closed and had their internal Apple development covered by NDA?! And you're comparing them to either reverse-engineered drivers or drivers that ended up being contributed at a much later timeframe than what was relevant to Apple?

It saddens me more that you make claims of support for open-source and yet buy hardware, from companies that don't support it. I bought my wireless cards from ZyDAS becuase of their support for open-source. Clearly you or Apple do not think that way. Oddly *intel* *contributed* the ieee80211 wireless stack.


As mentioned before, ZyDAS support for open source came at a much later date. And the 3945ABG card on my laptop is built in, not add-on. And I bought this laptop because I could afford its price; it had nothing to do with the luxury of only choosing select, FreeBSD-supported hardware.

Again: enough cat and mouse, we both made our points. There was no wrongdoing in Apple's actions in this regard.

Edit: he edited, I edited, else it would lose context and stop making sense

Edited 2007-07-12 23:42

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RE[15]: Re: Say What?
by cyclops on Fri 13th Jul 2007 00:06 in reply to "RE[14]: Re: Say What?"
cyclops Member since:
2006-03-12

"Again: enough cat and mouse, we both made our points. There was no wrongdoing in Apple's actions in this regard."

I don't think we are playing cat and mouse. Your claiming Apple is an Open-source company. I didn't. In fact open-source(sic) is something that although getting increasing interest from Companies. They have to be dragged kicking and screaming to the table...kicked by Microsoft BTW. Sun over Java is fantastic example of this. None of these companies do it for love but necessity. The *only* example, but I'm sure I can think of that was done out of Love was ID. Even Linus is in it for himself.

What Apple does is wartered down post iPod as I suspect they are more interested being Content provider than a Hardware company, but they *could* have open-sourced BSD wireless drivers, they *chose* not to, they even have the power and influence to get companies to open-source their drivers. Apple put the machines together nobody else. Wireless chips are a *cheap* part of a computer, and there are many choices. The funny thing is its in *their* benefit to closed source drivers.

I personally don't think Apple is doing anything wrong, but to argue love and kisses with open source when I see little to nothing to support this argument. I actually went to http://www.macosforge.org/ thats shameful support.

BTW if you could not find a FreeBSD-supported laptop in *your* price range with a compatible wireless card. Then either the kernel, the development model, the license, or the community is simply not up to scratch. I suspect its none of these things.

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RE[15]: Re: Say What?
by cyclops on Fri 13th Jul 2007 00:53 in reply to "RE[14]: Re: Say What?"
cyclops Member since:
2006-03-12

off-topic

@meianoite lol sorry about the editing I do that all the time. Once for spell checking, and often a second time to verify my points. I'm actually struggling as this site has been updated with about three threads I am interested in. Its the second time in two days, because I'm heading more off topic. I have wanted to send a private message. In any point scoring game about apple you will *always* make stronger comments, but having looked through the references, and comments. The thing I am most shocked by is how much Apple have taken.

The only reference to Webkit is not it being ported but re-synchronized http://dot.kde.org/1152645965/ on QT4 this work is *NOT* being done by Apple. but your initial statement was false.

I've ignored your comments about NDA's which I shouldn't have done. Apple is a hardware company and a good one, but they have shown little sign in showing *real* support to *any* open source drivers that a company interested in furthering open source; controlling their own hardware could give, other than what is necessary.

I'm actually fascinated by the acknowledgment you link to about FreeBSD simply becuase they don't offer *real* support to it, and its not a real competitor.

And finally this http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/pipermail/llvmdev/2007-January/007813.html what are you on about. this shown nothing and I mean nothing about your post , my post or the reply to it. Is this code under a BSD license as you stated or not!

The think that I'm actually fascinated with is you are making post *more* knowable than mine, but when I check they tell half a story of a half truth. You respond to my posts as though I'm accusing Apple of some wrong doing in fact everything I see points to BSD being a poor license not for political reasons but Linus' Tit for Tat, when its certainly not the case. I'm saying they are a proprietary company that takes from open source, and everything I see supports that statement.

Edited 2007-07-13 01:06

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