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3D News, GL, DirectX "DirectX 10 would not work with XP, and that was fine and dandy. It was an honest technical reason why you could not backport DX10 to XP without a major rip and replace operation. Microsoft wasn't going to bend on this one at all." More here.
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RE[10]: The Inquirer
by sappyvcv on Fri 13th Jul 2007 14:41 UTC in reply to "RE[8]: The Inquirer"
sappyvcv
Member since:
2005-07-06

So is the constant pro-MS cheerleading coming from some of the users here.

So is the constant anti-MS pro-OSS cheerleading coming from some of the users here.

But you're right, I should refrain from it, because it gives something for the MSDF to argue about instead of actually trying to come up with valid counter-arguments.

That's cute. You're the one that initiates these off-topic arguments with your baseless (yes, baseless) accusations. Then you cry foul when people call you out on it, accusing THEM of not being able to come up with valid counter-arguments?

If your arguments were really that good, you shouldn't need to use insults in the first place (and yes, calling someone a Microsoft shill IS an insult).

Hey, I get accused of being anti-Microsoft all the time, even though I actually like many of their products and have developed games for their consoles.

I hate a lot of their products (MSN Messenger, IE, Word in particular), but that doesn't seem to stop the shill accusations.

If you don't want YOUR motives questioned, don't resort to attacking the person instead of the argument.

(Note that I never insulted you or attacked you in any way in this post)

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RE[11]: The Inquirer
by archiesteel on Fri 13th Jul 2007 15:21 in reply to "RE[10]: The Inquirer"
archiesteel Member since:
2005-07-02

I did not directly accuse anyone of being a MS Shill. What I *am* saying is that whenever someone defends MS in all circumstances, even against people who actually *use* their software, then it's legitimate to question that person's motives (I'm not talking about you, btw).

If your arguments were really that good, you shouldn't need to use insults in the first place (and yes, calling someone a Microsoft shill IS an insult).


I don't need to use insults. My arguments stand on their own. As I've indicated to MollyC, the "Shill" comments were a bonus. If they bother you, the OSNews moderation system is designed specifically for that. Whenever I make such a comment, I *expect* to be modded down. Writing 25+ post to underline this is not necessary, and off-topic too.

I hate a lot of their products (MSN Messenger, IE, Word in particular), but that doesn't seem to stop the shill accusations.


Where did I accuse you of being a shill in this thread? Oh, right: nowhere. I'm well aware of your criticism of MS (though I disagree with some of it: MS Word is, IMO, an excellent program - as long as you disregard the way it handles pictures). I suggest you chill out a bit, and just mod me down whenever I make comments which you deem objectionable.

If you don't want YOUR motives questioned, don't resort to attacking the person instead of the argument.


My motives are quite clear: I like many of MS's products, but I do feel like they don't always treat their customers well, especially with regards to people who have chosen to remain with the excellent OS that is XP.

That said, I don't mind if people *do* question my motives. Maybe I don't have as thin a skin as some of the posters here. Rest assured, though: as long as people continue to defend MS in *every* situation, I'll continue to question their motives, and expect to be modded down for that. Having comments scored negatively is a small price to pay for freedom of speech.

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RE[12]: The Inquirer
by sappyvcv on Fri 13th Jul 2007 16:31 in reply to "RE[11]: The Inquirer"
sappyvcv Member since:
2005-07-06

I did not directly accuse anyone of being a MS Shill.

You did. 'Can anyone say "MS shill"?' Don't try to pretend you weren't accusing or implying anything.

I don't need to use insults.

Then don't. Calling someone a shill, a cheerleading or something similar is an attack and serves no other purpose than to attempt to discredit the person.

Where did I accuse you of being a shill in this thread? Oh, right: nowhere.

You didn't (that I remember..). Other people have though.

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