Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 13th Jul 2007 19:21 UTC
Sun Solaris, OpenSolaris BeleniX 0.6.1 has been released. This is primarily a bugfix release fixing some of the bigger bugs in 0.6 though there remains some more to fix in 0.6.2. "BeleniX is a *NIX distribution that is built using the OpenSolaris source base. It is currently a LiveCD distribution but is intended to grow into a complete distro that can be installed to hard disk."
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by iskios on Sat 14th Jul 2007 02:40 UTC
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I am curious about the number of "OSes" out there all of which seem to be reiterations of the things already being done by others.

Who knows how many Linux distributions, few of them with anything even remotely original in them, and certainly nothing original in their Desktops.

How many OSes running KDE do we really need, how many with Gnome?

I realize that the Open Source movement is in love with its sense of freedom, but might it not also be kind of shooting itself in the foot with all the bloody replication?

I am not trying to troll here, I really am curious how all of this is really innovating at any level?

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RE: Curious
by aseigo on Sat 14th Jul 2007 04:13 in reply to "Curious"
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ignoring the obvious analog of biological diversity and the mechanisms of evolution that drive it, one might instead point to open economies where more than one company is allowed to compete in the same market.

either way, it's fairly evident that competition, while often locally inefficient, is a remarkably (globally) efficient process of creating better things that otherwise would not be arrived at.

it's not being "in love with our sense of freedom", it's taking advantage of the benefits that come with that freedom such as the ability to experiment freely, engage in fulfilling endeavors and even tempt failure as a means to experimentally find good solutions.

as for what innovation comes of it all ... we could start with something like package management and go from there. there are hundreds of individual innovations we could list if we bothered to sit down and do so that came from this distro or that. we have the luxury of letting competing concepts prove themselves and this tends towards more optimal solutions for the needs of those who use the technology.

of course, sometimes we arrive at multiple "winners" where each carves out enough of the ecosystem to survive.

occasionally that situation of multiple successes causes problems and/or practical annoyances, but imho those situations are a minority and well compensated for by the rest of the good that comes out of this system of working.

there's also something to be said about not having all of one's eggs in one basket. it makes for a very robust ecosystem which can not be brought down easily either by outside forces or incompetence from within.

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by leguirerj on Sat 14th Jul 2007 13:42 in reply to "RE: Curious"
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Great response! Is it copyrighted or can I cut and paste it whereever I read the seem tired comment.

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RE: Curious
by Luminair on Sat 14th Jul 2007 04:15 in reply to "Curious"
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On some levels there seems like there is (or there just is) a bunch of replication. A zillion distros use Gnome or KDE for instance, and most of those aren't innovating in the desktop space at all.

But on other levels, there is innovation or at least uniqueness. Innovative or unique design processes or software configurations, for instance. The PCLinuxOS team operates differently than the Mandriva team, and each thinks they can offer something valuable. Belenix is unique among OpenSolaris distros because it is a 100% open source OpenSolaris LiveCD with KDE.

So my conclusion is that part of the duplicated features or systems you see is genuinely duplicated, while other things are unique. Every distro probably has SOMETHING special going on.

At first glance I think it is unfortunate that more of these guys don't team up and work together to produce greater things. But the truth is that the diversity and independence found in the free open source software world is probably because of normal human nature, not because of anything specific to FOSS.

And even more to the point, you can't just throw more people at a project and have it develop faster. There is a limited amount of development parallelization found in software development. So even if all these distros DID want to work together, there's no reason to believe that they would achieve increased productivity anywhere close to linearly related to the number of people involved.

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RE: Curious
by OStourist on Sat 14th Jul 2007 15:00 in reply to "Curious"
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You may think so..but the fact is that what we need
is one bug free os..but none of them are...for example
all linux distros suffer from the horrible ALSA..
I have also seen stability issues with java..
so if Belinix has the same software but is stable, efficient and robust, they will have done something not
done before..

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