Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 17th Jul 2007 09:53 UTC, submitted by drfelip
Graphics, User Interfaces "An interesting patent application recently filed by Microsoft may offer a glimpse at the future of the Windows interface. The patent describes a 'method for managing windows in a display' that seems to describe a method of task switching that is neither Taskbar nor Expose, but something in between." It reminds me of a feature called 'iconify', where you can minimise windows into an icon on the desktop (as CDE has, for instance), a feature I miss in most modern desktop environments.
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RE: Again...
by Almafeta on Tue 17th Jul 2007 10:17 UTC in reply to "Again..."
Almafeta
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2007-02-22

In general, yes. Your invention, your rules -- for 20 years, at least.

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by Manik on Tue 17th Jul 2007 10:43 in reply to "RE: Again..."
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2005-07-06

Yes, but it isn't an invention, yet. It's just an idea.

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by Soulbender on Tue 17th Jul 2007 10:59 in reply to "RE: Again..."
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2005-08-18

Except ideas aren't inventions.

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by kaiwai on Tue 17th Jul 2007 11:34 in reply to "RE: Again..."
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

In general, yes. Your invention, your rules -- for 20 years, at least.


Pardon, but there is a *GIANT* difference between a person(s) coming up with a really cool idea which enhances their product and doing what the likes of ELOAS does.

One invests money into R&D to create technology that enhances their own products to have a competitive edge over rivals - patents protect that idea from being ripped off.

The other hand, you have scum sucking roaches such as ELOAS who are merely patent harvesting lawyers coming up with far reaching generalised descriptions for so-called 'inventions'. They then gang up on companies with a band of lawyers hoping that the mere presence will scare the company into submission without challenge.

Microsoft seem to be 'getting in' on the patent harvesting industry - I have no problems trademarking names and so forth - but really, when you patenting like the above, you end up in a situation where not only those which directly copy, but those who might even *appear* to have a similar action, come under the spotlight of lawyers who litigate at the drop of a hat.

Edited 2007-07-17 11:37

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by sappyvcv on Tue 17th Jul 2007 12:09 in reply to "RE[2]: Again..."
sappyvcv Member since:
2005-07-06

Again, they are patenting these things to PROTECT themselves against companies like ELOAS in the future. If they didn't get a patent for this, someone else would have when they implemented it and sued them, and they would probably win because the US patent system sucks.

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by tristan on Tue 17th Jul 2007 11:40 in reply to "RE: Again..."
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2006-02-01

In general, yes. Your invention, your rules -- for 20 years, at least.

But it's with things like this that the notion of "software inventions" breaks down.

Let's say you're a mechanical engineer and you come up with a new way to make, say, a snack vending machine. You file a patent for it. In your patent application you would have to supply great detail about your invention, and exactly how it works, and so on. Every country has slightly different wordings, but in general the detail should be sufficient to allow somebody else to go away and build your invention purely from your drawings and description.

For software, the equivalent requirement would be at least the algorithms used, if not the actual source code itself.

Furthermore, you would never see a patent granted just on the *idea* of a magic box that gives you snacks when you put money into it. And yet this is what happens in the software world all the time. Rather than patenting a specific *implementation* of an idea, we instead see patents being granted which cover *all* possible ways of doing something.

If software were held to the same standards as physical objects, I don't think so many people would have a problem with them. Then the person with the best implementation of a specific idea would still be able to benefit from it. But instead we have the absurd situation whereby, to take an example off the top of my head, Red Hat can't ship an NTFS driver due to Microsoft patents, even though no-one has any idea how Microsoft's implementation for reading and writing to NTFS actually works.

All in all I'm very glad to live in a country that takes a sensible view with regard to software patents: they're simply not allowed. Rule Britannia!

Edited 2007-07-17 11:42

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by chemical_scum on Tue 17th Jul 2007 12:48 in reply to "RE: Again..."
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2005-11-02

In general, yes. Your invention, your rules -- for 20 years, at least.

Yes but it is not MS's invention they are just lifting prior art from the history of the Unix desktop. So the patent is invalid - got a couple of million dollars to defeat it in court.

The patent system is broken.

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by dylansmrjones on Tue 17th Jul 2007 16:32 in reply to "RE: Again..."
dylansmrjones Member since:
2005-10-02

Fine... the problem is it is not your invention. There is no such thing as "my invention". You cannot find a single thing which is solely one person's invention.

If it can be invented it has been done before. Or put differently. Everything is and has prior art.

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by Obscurus on Wed 18th Jul 2007 01:25 in reply to "RE[2]: Again..."
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2006-04-20

If it can be invented it has been done before. Or put differently. Everything is and has prior art.


What a patently ridiculous statement to make. There are obviously a great many inventions that had no prior art - a simple look at the level of technological advancement over the last 200 years demonstrates that quite simply. Not only that, it is offensive to anyone who genuinely has invented something and belittles their achievements.

I really don't think I need to add anything further, and I don't know why you would add such a silly comment, unless it constitutes very well hidden sarcasm on your part.

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