Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 17th Jul 2007 14:38 UTC, submitted by mikemuch
Windows "Way back in November 2006, when Windows Vista went from beta to RTM, Microsoft's Jim Allchin suggested that users might not need an antivirus program, thanks to the new OS's stronger security features. While the statement was subsequently clarified until it lost all its meaning, the question remains: Do Vista users really need an antivirus program running in the background at all times?"
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Sensible Computing
by Bink on Tue 17th Jul 2007 15:18 UTC
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I’ve been using Vista for a few months without any AV software. Then again, prior to Vista I ran Windows 2003 on my desktop with AV software, but I kept the software disabled. Even before Vista I always used a normal user account for everyday tasks, and used Run as to do Administrative functions, so, as the article states, sensible computing goes a very long way here.

Microsoft didn’t invent the concept of using a normal user to perform everyday tasks—UNIX has been doing this for quite a long time—but they might have invented the concept of using an Administrative or equivalent account to perform everyday tasks (and I wonder if they’ve patented this). The “nice” thing about all of this that the “monopoly OS of today” finally respects normal user accounts; I’ve always felt computers and the Internet were too dangerous for the average person to use and Vista might, finally, make some inroads here.

I’ve been virus free for many years now, but I do agree that I’m taking a bit of a risk here and might reconsider. Then again, my BSD box has never had an AV software on it…

Edited 2007-07-17 15:19

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RE: Sensible Computing
by airwedge1 on Tue 17th Jul 2007 17:28 in reply to "Sensible Computing"
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"but they might have invented the concept of using an Administrative or equivalent account to perform everyday tasks (and I wonder if they’ve patented this). "

this has been around for decades if not more. it's called Sudo. All the linux distributions I have used, log you in as a normal user, and when you need to do something as root, it will prompt to enter a password, and then you ran the particular program as the root account, or you can also manually run the program as root.

Patents are dumb

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RE[2]: Sensible Computing
by renhoek on Tue 17th Jul 2007 18:14 in reply to "RE: Sensible Computing"
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and in xp/200 you have this too. it's called runas.exe and people should me made aware of it. really.. use it. it's not hard. rightclick (sometimes with shift or ctrl) also shows the runas if you are a normal user.

nt has a very good security mechanism (altough a bit complex), but due to the insane defaults windows is extremely insecure. windows can be better protected than unix (using acl, rules for executing programs etc etc) but because this is also a lot more complex and has bad default values nobody does it. and as a result windows is more insecure in practice.

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RE[2]: Sensible Computing
by BluenoseJake on Tue 17th Jul 2007 20:09 in reply to "RE: Sensible Computing"
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That is not the same as logging in as administrator or equivalent in Windows, with sudo, the user is given administrative rights after providing proof that they are who they say they are, when running as administrator in windows, whatever happens, happens, no prompts, no hassles, no security.

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