Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 18th Jul 2007 22:09 UTC, submitted by Kishe
Microsoft says software that's licensed under a new version of a popular open source license isn't covered by the patent protection deal it recently signed with desktop Linux distributor Linspire. In a posting on its Web site, Microsoft said the Linspire client software protected by the patent deal doesn't include any parts of the distribution that "comprise or include Foundry Products, Clone Products, GPLv3 Software, or Other Excluded Products." The document was published on July 5, three weeks after Microsoft struck a deal with Linspire through which Linspire's customers are indemnified against Microsoft's patent claims against Linux users.
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RE[7]: And so it continues...
by lemur2 on Thu 19th Jul 2007 02:34
in reply to "RE[6]: And so it continues..."
Member since:2007-02-17
Microsoft isn't claiming copyright violations in this case (AFAIK)
Correct.
The copyright violation that is occurring here is a violation by Microsoft of FSF's copyright.
The claims of copyright violation is this case would go against Microsoft.
Oh, and BTW, if Microsoft are silly enough to make patent claims against FOSS software, there is an array of patent counter-claims ready to be made against Windows.
http://www.openinventionnetwork.com/
http://www.openinventionnetwork.com/patents.php
http://www.patent-commons.org/
So if Microsoft challenged the GPL, they would end up in a positions where:
(1) they have no permissions to give out vouchers for copyrighted works, which they have been doing, and
(2) a raft of patent counterclaims would be made against Microsoft, and
(3) In discovery, Microsoft would have to show all of their code to the FOSS side, who would doubtless find a lot of FOSS code buried within Microsoft's codebase ...
This is not a winning position for Microsoft to get themselves in to. This is the "mutually assured destruction" scenario. The FOSS side could be in a position in this scenario to stop anyone in America from running Windows ...
Microsoft are far better off taking either of two alternatives:
(1) drop all "patent deals" with Linux vendors, or
(2) take the deal offerred by OIN and the Patent Commons, and cross-license each others patents, and drop all patent threats against FOSS.
RE[8]: And so it continues...
by sappyvcv on Thu 19th Jul 2007 03:24
in reply to "RE[7]: And so it continues..."
Member since:2005-07-06
I should create something and release a license with it that states that anyone can distribute it under only certain conditions and that if any third parties that communicate with those distributors, those third parties may never mention, whether verbally or in text, my product. And if they do, I can sue them for violating my copyright.
Hell yeah!
Member since:
2006-05-26
(quote)How will Microsoft argue that they do have the required permission (under copyright law) to give out vouchers for someone else's copyrighted works, while at the same time violating the clear terms of the only license for those same works?
Microsoft can do one or the other ... they can challenge the GPL license and make patent deals, or they can give out their vouchers. They cannot do both at the same time. (/quote)
This is where the issue lies, most certainly: Microsoft has no interest in the copyright per se, and that's not at all what Microsoft's issue is: the issue is that the copyrighted software also happens (Microsoft claims) to violate 235 of their patents, so the copyright issue is a non-issue, and Microsoft is NOT giving out rights to copyright in any way, shape, or form, to GPL'ed work, but by making this deal with the various distributors of the GPL'ed work that's claimed to infringe, they are giving permission (for a price) for them to keep on distributing work that they state violates their patent portfolio.
Copyrights and patents are two similar animals in some respects, but are different in others, and one could be considered a zebra while the other is a regular horse (an imperfect analogy, granted) and they are not tied together: it is possible to (in the case of software patents) to violate patent claims without violating copyright, though it could also be that, if the work is large enough, you could violate both copyright and patent rights at the same time, but Microsoft isn't claiming copyright violations in this case (AFAIK). The massive copyright violation claim against GPL'ed software (mostly linux kernel) is something we can leave to SCO