Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 18th Jul 2007 22:40 UTC, submitted by zaboing
Gnome During his opening speech at the GNOME Developers conference GUADEC Jono Bacon, community manager for the Ubuntu distribution, called for a common vision inside the project, an area in which the project as a whole is currently lacking. Only a few hours later Red Hat developers Havoc Pennington and Bryan Clark presented their own proposal for a reinvention of the Open Source desktop: The GNOME Online Desktop. My take: As I have been saying for a long time, GNOME needs a vision (and leaders) for the future. I'm glad that people are finally stepping up.
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RE[2]: Revolution? Sounds Fun.
by KugelKurt on Thu 19th Jul 2007 08:16 UTC in reply to "RE: Revolution? Sounds Fun."
KugelKurt
Member since:
2005-07-06

* Drag and drop application installation and deletion and bundle support to the same level OS X has

Which is the crappest way of installing applications; I had a Mac, and I remember the litany of crap that software would leave hanging around. Crap in my user library/preferences directory, crap left in my home directory, it was awful.


What? I've never seen an easier installation method than http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9c8ENqUqnA
And if anyone prefers the "Linux way", there's Fink.
I also don't know why you're complaining about a few KB of application settings left of the HDD. It's not that they matter in a 80+ GB HDD environment.

"UI widget alignment in applications"? what the hell is that?! more gobblygoop to make one feel sophisticated? that sentence has no meaning.

You demand that other people actually use Linux and you (by your own words an ex Mac user) don't even have used Interface Builder?
Interface Builder helps the developers to align an application's GUI widgets. This way even a developer who is not a usability expert can design windows that look organized and clean.

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RE[3]: Revolution? Sounds Fun.
by kaiwai on Thu 19th Jul 2007 10:12 in reply to "RE[2]: Revolution? Sounds Fun."
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

What? I've never seen an easier installation method than http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9c8ENqUqnA
And if anyone prefers the "Linux way", there's Fink.
I also don't know why you're complaining about a few KB of application settings left of the HDD. It's not that they matter in a 80+ GB HDD environment.


Excuse me, for me, its pkgadd -d [package] and when I want to uninstall it pkgrm [package], want to find a package, pkginfo | grep [package] - what is so hard or difficult about that. Apple uses packages and yet there is no uninstall for them - how do you explain that one? packages that use install scripts and yet, no way to remove those pieces beyond searching through the hard disk. The configuration files are a symptom of a bigger issue.

You demand that other people actually use Linux and you (by your own words an ex Mac user) don't even have used Interface Builder?
Interface Builder helps the developers to align an application's GUI widgets. This way even a developer who is not a usability expert can design windows that look organized and clean.


Excuse me, but given that all one has to do is read the GNOME HIG and follow those instructions, I'd say its laziness more than anything else.

Oh, and if there are alignment issues - then lodge a bug; numerous bugs relating to widget alignment have been made to the Pidgin and XChat projects, and they all get corrected in a timely manner.

Name *ONE application that is messy and disorganised that are of 'high profile'.

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KugelKurt Member since:
2005-07-06

xcuse me, for me, its pkgadd -d [package] and when I want to uninstall it pkgrm [package], want to find a package, pkginfo | grep [package] - what is so hard or difficult about that.

And -- as I said -- on Mac OS X there's Fink to do exactly the same.

Apple uses packages and yet there is no uninstall for them - how do you explain that one? packages that use install scripts and yet, no way to remove those pieces beyond searching through the hard disk. The configuration files are a symptom of a bigger issue.

If you really think that those few config files waste gigs of HDD space (they don't), you could use tools like AppTrap: http://osx.iusethis.com/screenshot/apptrap.png

given that all one has to do is read the GNOME HIG and follow those instructions, I'd say its laziness more than anything else.


There also Apple HIGs. So? What's wrong with a tool (in this case Interface Builder) that helps the developers with perfect widget alignment?


Name *ONE application that is messy and disorganised that are of 'high profile'.


GIMP, OpenOffice, Konqueror, VLC (the preferences window), etc.

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RE[3]: Revolution? Sounds Fun.
by lezard on Thu 19th Jul 2007 10:38 in reply to "RE[2]: Revolution? Sounds Fun."
lezard Member since:
2005-10-11

Linux way is much easier, remember that you first have to find a way to download Skype? With Linux, open the software installer, select skype, and press "ok"...
I know wich one I prefer ;)

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