Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 20th Jul 2007 11:15 UTC, submitted by Kaj de Vos
Syllable, AtheOS The Syllable project has released a new package of Builder, the system that builds Syllable, its native applications, and ported applications. Builder can also be installed on Linux. This release matches the Syllable 0.6.4 source code. It also contains the beginnings of a branch for the upcoming Syllable Server based on the Linux kernel. Part of the documentation for Builder was just integrated in the new Syllable documentation set. The full manual is in Builder/README. Further, the development version for the next Syllable release already has a new gigabit ethernet driver, for the D-Link DL2000.
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RE: What's the point?
by stodge on Fri 20th Jul 2007 19:27 UTC
stodge
Member since:
2005-09-08

"Personally I would be happy to see a new 'Desktop OS' build on the linux, especially if it breaks away from X11/GTK/QT and standard unix stuff (they are all well and good in their own way but also have drawbacks from unix heritage)."

Yes! I agree - I'd like to see something without X11. Oh wait, that would be OSX?

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RE[2]: What's the point?
by spikeb on Fri 20th Jul 2007 20:19 in reply to "RE: What's the point?"
spikeb Member since:
2006-01-18

no, that has X11 ;)

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RE[3]: What's the point?
by zizban on Fri 20th Jul 2007 20:25 in reply to "RE[2]: What's the point?"
zizban Member since:
2005-07-06

Not by default. As an add on. By default it uses Quartz.

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RE[2]: What's the point?
by dylansmrjones on Fri 20th Jul 2007 21:15 in reply to "RE: What's the point?"
dylansmrjones Member since:
2005-10-02

Oh wait, that would be OSX?


Apart from being bloated, like all the mainstream OS'es (incl. DE's)

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RE[2]: What's the point?
by snozzberry on Fri 20th Jul 2007 22:08 in reply to "RE: What's the point?"
snozzberry Member since:
2005-11-14

If X11 is lightweight enough that it can be put inside LinuxBIOS, it's good enough for me.

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=linuxbios

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RE[3]: What's the point?
by BurningShadow on Fri 20th Jul 2007 22:20 in reply to "RE[2]: What's the point?"
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2006-09-07

...it's because they want their BIOS to be bloated too.
Soon you'll be able to download your own Linux BIOS... And burn it on two DVD's ;)

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RE[3]: What's the point?
by Vanders on Sat 21st Jul 2007 11:23 in reply to "RE[2]: What's the point?"
Vanders Member since:
2005-07-06

I'm not going to sit here and claim it can't be done, but LinuxBIOS is a pretty contrived test case. If you notice, they're using KDrive (Nee. TinyX) which is a highly stripped down X, specifically designed for this type of application, and a very lightweight window manager.

You can strip X down, but you lose most of the modern functionality in the process. If you add a modern toolkit on top of that (I.e. Qt or GTK+) you've broken straight through the 2MB barrier.

It should be possible to do a lightweight system based on a lightweight X, but no one is doing that. The obvious question to ask is "Why not?"

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RE[2]: What's the point?
by ideasman42 on Sat 21st Jul 2007 18:21 in reply to "RE: What's the point?"
ideasman42 Member since:
2007-07-20

It could be OSX, along with AROS or possibly FBDev, except that
1) OSX isnt exactly light weight
2) OSX is owned by apple, so its not a project people can become involved with.

regarding X11 being good or bad, I had a check with some of the guys in #Xorg and they dont think much of XLIB which is what you have to code in to use X11 -
(unless you use some OpenGL or GTK which intern uses XLIB)

They are working on a replacement for XLIB though that can run alongside X11.

Edited 2007-07-21 18:40

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