Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 21st Jul 2007 21:11 UTC, submitted by kwag
PC-BSD The first beta of PC-BSD 1.4 has been released. "After months of hard work, the PC-BSD team is pleased to make available the 1.4 BETA release. This version includes many exciting new features and software, such as 3D desktop support via Beryl, KDE 3.5.7, FreeBSD 6.2, Xorg 7.2, new GUI tools & utilities, and much more." Get it from the download page.
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RE[3]: PC-BSD
by Oliver on Sun 22nd Jul 2007 09:29 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: PC-BSD"
Oliver
Member since:
2006-07-15

>Security is certainly the business of OpenBSD

Security is a business of the other BSD too. If you want to see the difference have a look at Linux kernel releases or Linux distro release, they are always full of bugs and this isn't the business of *BSD!

*Release Engineering* is something Linux doesn't even know. Linux even hasn't got a proper documentation or stable ABI. It's ridiculous to try a comparison at all. Linux is full of hype, FUD, hacks to "prove" peaks in performance and a massive lack of quality and reliability. But it's the chosen pet of the media family, so "BSD is dying" since 1977 :o)

http://www.freebsd.org/releng/index.html

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RE[4]: PC-BSD
by toomany on Sun 22nd Jul 2007 09:40 in reply to "RE[3]: PC-BSD"
toomany Member since:
2005-11-09

Well, is the "famous" phrase of Mr. Torvalds; "just do it". While in FreeBSD (and all rest of BSDs) is; test and test looking for quality.

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RE[4]: PC-BSD
by Doc Pain on Sun 22nd Jul 2007 13:09 in reply to "RE[3]: PC-BSD"
Doc Pain Member since:
2006-10-08

You mentioned a point that is worth further commenting:

"*Release Engineering* is something Linux doesn't even know. Linux even hasn't got a proper documentation or stable ABI. It's ridiculous to try a comparison at all."

I highlighted the term "documentation". As a developer, you sometimes need to get information about system utilities you use, about system library functions or kernel interfaces. All parts of the FreeBSD OS (system utilities, configuration files, even maintaining procedures) have their own manpage installed. You don't need to search a web WIKI for information, you just use the designated tools: whatis, apropos and man.

FreBSD's documentation is excellent. It does not only include manpages, it includes the great handbook as well. All infomation is accessible online or offline.

Some examples, try this (or the equivalent) in Linux:
% man intro
% man rc.conf
% man signal
% man tar
% man hier

Sadly, not all additional software conforms to the goal of having good centralized "man" based documentation. Is there any "man kde"? :-)

Please care to see a fine difference: While FreeBSD is only one OS distribution, Linux has many of them. While you can use one tool on one system, it does not imply that you can use the same tool (or same options to the tool) on another system, too. I see the situation getting better, but that's just because most operations are directed to KDE (or other GUI) administrative tools that tend to be included in the KDE distribution.

"Linux is full of hype, FUD, hacks to "prove" peaks in performance and a massive lack of quality and reliability."

I think Linux is a great approach to get UNIX powered systems to the user's desktop. This is mainly because of KDE (and Gnome, as a sidenote). But as you will admit, this brings problems. While computers are affordable for everyone, they're affordable for stupid users, too. This isn't the fault of Linux or KDE, please don't misunderstand! But the result is: More and more "hacks" (let me use this term) are needed to make the OS or the distro appealing to the user. Security barriers are falling step by step. That's why a stable and secure core system is absolutely required. I think the BSDs are offering such a base. But Linux does, too.

"But it's the chosen pet of the media family, so "BSD is dying" since 1977 :o) "

Very definitely... :-)

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RE[5]: PC-BSD
by Oliver on Mon 23rd Jul 2007 11:59 in reply to "RE[4]: PC-BSD"
Oliver Member since:
2006-07-15

Ack - "hacks" is my short form for Linus credo "just do it and fix possible problems later".

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