Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 23rd Jul 2007 21:20 UTC, submitted by Innova
Gentoo "Over the past few days, I discovered that the Gentoo Foundation's charter is in the process of being revoked by the state of New Mexico, apparently due to regular paperwork not being filed by the trustees. What this means is that the Gentoo Foundation is currently hanging for its life by a string, and at any day could cease to exist as an entity. That is the very bad news. The good news is that I was able to talk to Grant Goodyear (trustee) this morning on the phone, and I have confirmed that Grant had received my email about the revocation issue that I sent 2 days ago and that he will be resolving this critical issue in the next couple of days by filing the appropriate paperwork with the state of New Mexico, and this paperwork will also remove me as President of the Foundation."
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RE[5]: I hope things work out
by cyclops on Tue 24th Jul 2007 15:24 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: I hope things work out"
cyclops
Member since:
2006-03-12

"Can you explain to us why is it a fake feeling that you get far more control and speed tuning with gentoo?

When we are talking about a source based distro (not just gentoo) i think it's a fact that you get an advantage on how you control your system..."

"fake feeling" could you explain that statement.

You can optimize compiling of programs to take advantage of *your* CPU, and lots do the *simple * fact you can do it is part of the control. You can argue the benefits of having an often marginally faster system at the expense of stability in everything *but* gaming is a waste of time...and I'd agree, but then I run my hardware at stock speeds...but understand why someone would overclock their hardware.

If you do not understand the statements "your GNU your way" or "Everything you want *and* nothing you don't" or "mininimal install with not application bloat" then I can't help you the reality is there are 100's of distributions catering to *different* needs. In simply terms my setup is Linux+X+Xfce+OpenOffice+Firefox+K3B+Xchat+Eclipse etc etc and *nothing* I don't use at the *high* cost of compiling, Even the programs themselves only compile without things I consider useless like support for formats;desktops;libraries I don't use, like Gnome+KDE+GTk1+Microsoft Codecs+Allegro. But your *right* if Distribution+Binary Package Manager fulfills most of *your* needs without the additional overhead of the time involved in compiling then that is a compelling alternative.

Although you are trolling and you are off topic, but then judging by your post. I think you have heard of Gentoo, but haven't used it and are playing Distro smackdown. Gentoo is not *primarily* about speed or control although it offers *both* more than all but the base metal Distributions. Its *mainly* about a *meta-distribution*+*cutting-edge*+*stability*+*maintainability*
...but you clearly do not understand that. In fact the fact that it offers these *together* is what makes Gentoo+portage unique

I will go *further* you do not understand *why GNU has many choices of Distribution* which is unfortunate for new GNU users who are overwhelmed by the choices out there.

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RE[6]: I hope things work out
by b00gie on Tue 24th Jul 2007 16:35 in reply to "RE[5]: I hope things work out"
b00gie Member since:
2006-06-09

cyclops please take *more time* to read others posts more *carefully* and *understand* what they talk about...

wirespot said

Let's face it, Gentoo = Portage. OK, it was fun for a while, I guess it made some people get closer to their Linux and some feel more in control and placebo'ed some into feeling they get a "faster" and more "stable" install in return.


and i asked him
Can you explain to us why is it a fake feeling that you get far more control and speed tuning with gentoo?


i hope you understand the difference between a question and a statement.

now ontopic...
*meta-distribution*+*cutting-edge*+*stability*+*maintainability*

from all this things just the meta nature is more or less intact.

cutting edge? like what? kde4? is it in portage? even stable releases by upstream take too long to get in portage (not even think about alpha/beta/rc releases).

stability is connected with maintainability and both are analogous with how many developers are working in the project. Now consider how many developers have resigned and keep resigning. Some herds are depending on 1 or 2 developers ffs...
Please don't get me wrong, of course i want to see my distro of choise to prosper but there are so many issues while trustees the only thing they care about is how to resolve the foundation...
like they are working hard to make the distro how it was and don't have time for the paperwork...oh please...

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RE[7]: I hope things work out
by cyclops on Tue 24th Jul 2007 18:23 in reply to "RE[6]: I hope things work out"
cyclops Member since:
2006-03-12

"cyclops please take *more time* to read others posts more *carefully* and *understand* what they talk about..."

Thank you for you stange post. I understand the *distribution* and understand that they have different strengths and weaknesses, and spent a long time why they came about.

"Can you explain to us why is it a fake feeling that you get far more control and speed tuning with gentoo?

i hope you understand the difference between a question and a statement. "

I do understand the difference between a question and a statement, I even understand subtleties of English which are clearly lost on you. Gentoo's emphasis is not speed or control, although it has *provisions for both*. He has a complete misunderstanding of the benefits of Gentoo.

He is reinforcing a misunderstanding about Gentoo. If control is the ability to pick and choose compiler-time options; optimizations; packages then that is control, is that fake or real? its certainly more control than is available an any binary distribution. You can only argue that this is unnecessary functionality to *you* who's distribution covers *your* needs without Gentoo's overhead.

Can you use compile time flags, which BTW you set up *once* and I personally never play with. Although *others* do, and I understand why someone would want optimize binaries particularly where stability is not critical like games, you are aware its not uncommon to do so. I *personally* would rather have a *stable* desktop. You can argue that the benefits of a marginally faster *desktop*, are not for you, but on a binary distribution you do not have a choice.

BUT again the bottom line is Gentoo's strength is in its meta-distribution nature which you do not understand. Which I try to explain time and time again.

You do not understand how portage works you have the options of

a) installing an overlay containing not in tree packages
b) adding your own
c) selecting masked packages (normally a release but something is broken)
d) selecting a package.

I have just checked and there are ebuilds available for the SVN of KDE4 although if you are arguing they should be marked stable, you crackers.

The reality is Gentoo is *always* cutting edge while Ubuntu is putting work into its latest "adjective animal" Gentoo syncs to its latest version as often as you like, and as bleeding edge as you like stable; unstable; masked, and often svn. Although with the exception of X compiz-fusion mesa I never do this for an unstable package because of my open source ati drivers, and for every game as I do not care about there stability.

There are *more* developers than there have been check the newsletters, which provide proof. Although more or less Developers just mean more packages supported.

But again the problem is *NOT* developers its administration read the damn post.

Edited 2007-07-24 18:41

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