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RE[9]: release synchronization
by zsitvaij on Tue 24th Jul 2007 21:29 UTC in reply to "RE[8]: release synchronization"
zsitvaij
Member since:
2006-06-14

"Imagine the following. You're using SomeDistro version 1.0, which ships Firefox 1.5. Today, Firefox 2.0 was released. You want to upgrade to Firefox 2.0, but uh oh, your distro only ships 1.5. You have to upgrade to SomeDistro 2.0 just to get Firefox 2.0. Doesn't that seem very odd to you? To upgrade an entire distro just to upgrade from Firefox 1.5 to 2.0?"


Imagine that I'm running Gentoo, Arch, or any other distro with rolling updates. Oh, wait! I am!

If SomeDistro is worth it's salt, it will backport security fixes.

That's no excuse. If you say "Sure we don't have a GUI in FooOS like Windows does. But this isn't Windows." then you'll have a hard time convincing your grandmother to use FooOS.


Because granny is likely to care that FooBarBaz 1.4 went to 2.1 and upgrading to it right now will make or break the deal? Pure nonsense.

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FooBarWidget Member since:
2005-11-11

"Imagine that I'm running Gentoo, Arch, or any other distro with rolling updates. Oh, wait! I am!"

In other words, the same old "I'm using Gentoo/$FAVORITE_DISTRO and fsck everybody who uses something else" elitism.


"If SomeDistro is worth it's salt, it will backport security fixes."

(Firefox 2.0) != (Firefox 1.5 + security fixes)


"Because granny is likely to care that FooBarBaz 1.4 went to 2.1 and upgrading to it right now will make or break the deal? Pure nonsense."

FooBarBaz 2.1 supports the new webcam that she bought, while 1.4 does not. So yes, not being able to upgrade right now *will* break the deal.
Or, a more realistic example: Firefox 2.0 supports www.example.com while 1.5 has rendering bugs which prevents www.example.com from being rendered correctly. Grandma is an avid example.com visitor, and not being able to upgrade to Firefox 2.0 is a huge deal for her.

"If you're in that kind of bind, you have the resources to ensure your binaries are LSB compliant and just drop it all to /opt. I understand its purpose was this. Then all you have to watch are glibc updates."

Good for them. But big news for you: I am not a commercial developer. I'm but a lowly open source developer who wants to make Linux binaries available for my end users. Why should I file 20 bug reports to 20 distros to have my app packaged? Why don't you let me do it myself? Why would it be a bad thing if I can do it myself?


"Also, I couldn't help but notice that you have the autopackage website as your homepage, and you've posted before claiming to be a developer. That certainly explains your unwillingness to acknowledge that the current system works."

What does autopackage have to do with this? I didn't mention autopackage because it's not the topic. Now you're just finding an excuse to use personal attacks on me. What a poor way to have a discussion.

Edited 2007-07-24 22:57

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zsitvaij Member since:
2006-06-14

"In other words, the same old "I'm using Gentoo/$FAVORITE_DISTRO and fsck everybody who uses something else" elitism."


It's "there's a solution out there for people bothered by this already" elitism.

(Firefox 2.0) != (Firefox 1.5 + security fixes)


See above.

"FooBarBaz 2.1 supports the new webcam that she bought, while 1.4 does not. So yes, not being able to upgrade right now *will* break the deal.
Or, a more realistic example: Firefox 2.0 supports www.example.com while 1.5 has rendering bugs which prevents www.example.com from being rendered correctly. Grandma is an avid example.com visitor, and not being able to upgrade to Firefox 2.0 is a huge deal for her."


But then, you're not upgrading a distribution as you originally stated, are you? Because if that version does not meet her needs, it won't get installed, period. The newer $distro will, if it does. At no point does a needed update enter the situation. A newer WhatEver might provide more features, sure, but to even install a distro presupposes that it meets all requirements. You're arguing for a situation that will never reach that state.

"What does autopackage have to do with this? I didn't mention autopackage because it's not the topic. Now you're just finding an excuse to use personal attacks on me. What a poor way to have a discussion."


Pointing out you have a vested interest in the topic is a personal attack? Heh. Cute.

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