Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 28th Jul 2007 11:07 UTC
Bugs & Viruses A lot of people have been emailing us about an issue we are having with one of our ads taking over OSNews. Thank you all for emailing us, the information provided is of good use to us. We are currently working on the problem, and will let you know once it has been fixed. We would like to apologise for the inconvenience. Update by DA: I think that I've tracked down the offender. Read more for details Update 2: This time I think we really fixed it.
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RE[3]: Stop blocking ads!
by steviant on Mon 30th Jul 2007 04:36 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Stop blocking ads!"
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No I'm not talking about different prices for different content, but random prices for the same content. (where two visitors to the same page end up getting "charged" differently).

That is obviously, and blatantly unfair. It also divides users roughly along class boundaries, where richer people have larger higher resolution screens, faster computers and internet connections so are penalized less for the same content. Also obviously, and blatantly unfair.

This is not a case of "if it costs too much, don't buy it", it's a case of "sometimes when you buy this thing, you'll open the box and find an elephant inside that you have to look after, feed and house"

You don't always see the same advertisement when you visit OSnews, sometimes you get served a gif and sometimes you get served flash, which means waiting not only for the content to load, but also for another program which runs inside your browser to start up and run a highly intensive script.

If you're on a slow computer with a slow connection then the flash content is going to "cost" an arm and a leg. There are still a hell of a lot more people in the world who are lucky to have even a dialup connection let alone a fast computer to render flash ads on.

I'm not saying that the entire world should cater to the lowest common denominator, just that maybe we should cut people a little slack when we hear that they use something like adblock plus, it's not a black and white issue.

I suspect that most of those who say we should never ever use ad blockers are those on the faster side of the digital divide (like me). and most of those with more charitable attitudes toward ad blockers are on the slow side.

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RE[4]: Stop blocking ads!
by aent on Mon 30th Jul 2007 05:57 in reply to "RE[3]: Stop blocking ads!"
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My laptop is over 5 years with a pentium 3 in it, my desktop has an early pentium 4 in it. Any computer that is under 5 yaers old should be able to view the ads without any significant slowdown. There are some sites that go crazy with it, so I just don't visit them. I don't feel I'm missing out, as I don't think any of their sites are worth all of the ads.

And yes, there obviously is going to be a different experience for everyone with ads, since they pay per view. That doesn't make it less fair. I know on TV, I get different ads then people leaving a few blocks away from me, and I think the set that I get tends to be more annoying. I understand that is part of the price to pay for TV.

I only think the line is crossed is when they are trying to be deceptive about where the ad is coming from, the biggest example of that being pop ups and unders, those are purposely designed so you won't know which site gave them to you, but we're talking about ads that are integrated into the site, clear ads that are served with the content. I run a pretty large website myself, and it helps a lot of people out finding what they need, but its difficult to afford a server that is the correct size to handle the needs because my site has a very large percentage of users adblocking, and no, I have no interest in spending $150/month or more of my own month to help people out when I'm already dedicating plenty of my own time already. Because of all of the adblockers, everyone has to have a slower website, so in the case of my own website, the adblockers didn't speed up the experience anyways as it prevented the correct power server from being purchased.

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RE[5]: Stop blocking ads!
by steviant on Mon 30th Jul 2007 12:21 in reply to "RE[4]: Stop blocking ads!"
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Exactly what methodology are you using to check your users are using ad blockers? How do you know your advertising partner is being honest with you?

Have you considered that you have too many advertisements (seems likely since you're complaining that a large proportion of users are using ad blocking software on your site - which is not something I can recall anyone reputable site or any of my hosting customers complaining about).

I think it's at least equally likely from what you've said that you're encouraging your users to use adblocking software on your site, by plastering it with so many ads that the content is compromised. Meanwhile those who don't or won't run ad blockers just left in disgust, leaving you with an apparently high proportion of users with ad-blocking software.

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