"During this years GUADEC Red Hat developer Havoc Pennington proposed his idea of an 'Online Desktop' to the developers of the GNOME project. Through deep integration with web services and 'zero-maintenance' the Open Source client aims to get the 'perfect window to the Internet'. During GUADEC Andreas Proschofsky had the chance to talk to Pennington about advantages and possible problems of the Online Desktop concept, the necessity of Windows-support and about Red Hats 'return to the desktop'."
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Member since:2005-11-12
Wow, how you got modded up so much is beyond me, What do you need a mime editor for. It's totally useless to avarage joe and it's been replaced with a more sane way to default apps to a mime type.
I think people like you rant because your missing the "Power user" features, are you seriously telling me that average joe will use be bothered about moving toolbars and editing mime types. I think you need a reality check when it comes to features that ARE really use to the user.
Member since:2005-10-02
Yeah... +9 seems impossible to me.... I don't get it. Weird.
But apart from that:
You are talking nonsens!
Take this scenario: Install Gimp - Gimp steals ALL your "Open with..." settings from eog, and now you have to right-click on 45 different imagefiles in order to restore your settings *sigh*
And every now and then you trip over an image format you haven't restored, and when you expect eog to open it opens gimp instead... ARRGGHHH!!!
Just because it is a power user tool doesn't mean it shouldn't be there. A Power User Tool does NOT rule out a Newbie Tool as well - there is room for BOTH solutions!
You don't have to be a "Power User" to move toolbars or have a need for a fast and easy way to change many mime types in one go.
Whether or not a feature is available has nothing to do with whether or not a newbie can use them or understands the issues. What matters is SOLELY: Does this make it easier to use? And yes, a centralized Mime Type Editor makes reverting changes for many Mime Types at one go MUCH easier.
A centralized editor can easily coexist with the existing decentralized way of 5 clicks to change one setting.
The existing decentralized way of changing settings for a mime type is ONLY sensible when you only need to change ONE mime type. Try many and you'll see the flaws in ONLY having ONE way to do things.
Most persons don't need columns in their text document - let's rip it out of OpenOffice. Most users don't need a fill option in Gimp - let's rip it out. Let's aim for the lowest denominator!
There's a difference in restricting the user and making things easy.
Member since:2005-07-06
Both the mime type and the menu systems have been replaced whole-sale during the v2 series with new cross-desktop solutions. Yes, there might have been regressions, but in both cases the current solution is superior to the old.
The current mime-type system allows for much easier configuration of mime-types than the previous one ever did. Just right-click the file, and select properties. There's no need for a separate application. As a bonus: the new system "just works" when installing and uninstalling applications (something which can't be said of the old one).
The menu editor is such a non-issue. This isn't MS Windows where apps install entire folder hierarchies for themselves. I've yet to find a single Linux app which doesn't properly integrate into the main menu.
When people complain about things being ripped out of Gnome, what they usually mean is: "I used to have to jump through hoops to do this. Where are the hoops? I WANT to do this the hard way."
Member since:2005-10-02
Cross-Desktop has nothing to do with this. It is completely unrelated to a centralized Mime Type Editor. I agree the new decentralized way (introduced in Gnome 2.8) is way better than the old crappy mime type editor.
But that DOES NOT mean that this solution is the only one which should be available. And being superior in terms of changing MANY mime types is incorrect. For such tasks the new way is very insufficient!
The current mime-type system allows for much easier configuration of mime-types than the previous one ever did. Just right-click the file, and select properties. There's no need for a separate application. As a bonus: the new system "just works" when installing and uninstalling applications (something which can't be said of the old one).
The new way does NOT allow for easier configuration. It doesn't allow for ANY configuration EXCEPT favourite application. And it pretty much the same way the old decentralized way worked. In Gnome 2.6 we had a centralized and a decentralized way of doing it. Since Gnome 2.8 we have only had a decentralized way of making changes. True, better than the old decentralized way - but today you have to manually edit xml-files in order to make changes apart from the favourite application. And making changes to MANY mime types in extremely cumbersome.
We need a good way to change many mime types WITHOUT replacing the existing decentralized way - which is GREAT for changing one or two mime types.
Oh well, Thunderbird 2.0.0.5 is one. Scribus is another one (when using Gnome), esvn, rapidsvn, lincvs and the Gnome User Editor and a gazillion other apps which are misplaced in the Gnome Menu - or not installed at all. Especially games fail to be installed in the menues.
You are obviously not using any applications apart from Gnome Games and Firefox.
That's pure arrogance. "Somebody needs a different solution than me. They are morons. Boohooo!" <-- nice answer kelvin (and yes, it's sarcasm!).
When people complain about missing options it is because they have DIFFERENT needs. Try reverting stupid changes (made by installing Gimp) for many mime types and you'll see how insufficient the decentralized way is.
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Bullshit!
The easy access to modifying menues was ripped out. It took several releases before a THIRD party project was included in Gnome. And of course it only has half the functionality it ought to have.
The Mime Type Editor was ripped out in Gnome 2.8 and hasn't been replaced yet. There is a third party project (assogiate) but it's not quite there yet - but look out for assogiate 0.4.x
When people complain about things being ripped out of Gnome they are NOT referring to missing functionality - but to missing EASY ACCESS.
One can still edit menues by messing with xml-files - and the same goes for mime types. But it just ain't easy access! So this misunderstood "purity"-madness has made the desktop HARDER to use - and not EASIER.
Gnome 2.18 has of course more functionality than Gnome 1.4 - it is just a lot more unaccessible.