Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 6th Aug 2007 21:50 UTC, submitted by anonymous
BSD and Darwin derivatives The sixth major DragonFly BSD release, version 1.10, was announced today by project creator Matthew Dillon. Billed as "more stable than the 1.8 release", it includes improved virtual kernel support, a new disk management infrastructure, improvements to wireless networking, and support for the new syslink protocol. As to what all that means, KernelTrap has just posted an interview with Dillon. Going beyond today's 1.10 release, the interview explores DragonFly's new clustering high-availability filesystem which sounds superior to ZFS, the project's goals for the 2.0 release expected in six months, and a comparison of the BSD license versus the GPL.
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RE: Anybody know
by Zoidberg on Tue 7th Aug 2007 02:20 UTC in reply to "Anybody know"
Zoidberg
Member since:
2006-02-11

That wouldn't be progress, that would be silly. The BSDs are not aimed at the desktop market, it's mainly used for servers. Of course you certainly can install xorg and a desktop of your choice. If you don't know how to do that though you probably shouldn't be using BSD.

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RE[2]: Anybody know
by UZ64 on Tue 7th Aug 2007 05:01 in reply to "RE: Anybody know"
UZ64 Member since:
2006-12-05

"If you don't know how to do that though you probably shouldn't be using BSD."

I agree for the most part, but there's always the ability to learn. It just takes a certain type of thinking, lots of learning (reading), and patience... I went from a complete Windows user, helpless at the command line, to being somewhat decent at the command line and able to install a GUI in certain distros... if I recall correctly, FreeBSD was one of the BSDs I got a GUI working with. OpenBSD was the only one I couldn't even get installed.

But yeah... if LightRider keeps his stance on not wanting to even install a GUI himself, I would say he might as well try PC-BSD or DesktopBSD.

[To be fair, I did mess around on the command line when I was way younger, on an Apple IIe and later a Gateway2000 with Win95/real-mode DOS. Said "good riddance" to the command line years ago never expecting to come back, and now I'm using it more than I have since the Apple IIe days (though the GUI takes top priority, by far... I'm just too used to it). :p ]

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RE[2]: Anybody know
by happycamper on Tue 7th Aug 2007 06:30 in reply to "RE: Anybody know"
happycamper Member since:
2006-01-01

"If you don't know how to do that though you probably shouldn't be using BSD"

what kind of a response is that. you cant say that, if he does not know how at least lead him to couple sites that will show him how.

http://leaf.dragonflybsd.org/~justin/handbook/x11.html

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RE[3]: Anybody know
by bryanv on Tue 7th Aug 2007 15:44 in reply to "RE[2]: Anybody know"
bryanv Member since:
2005-08-26

"If you don't know how to do that though you probably shouldn't be using BSD"


Maybe what the poster was really saying is: If you can't figure out where to learn how to do it, you probably shouldn't be using BSD.

It's not a matter of what you know / what you don't know, but your ABILITY to LEARN or teach yourself. If an individual is lacking knowledge, that's a totally different problem than a person lacking the ability to gain knowledge.

People who lack knowledge but are able to gain it on their own are typically the types of people you'll find using BSD. Critical thinkers and problem solvers - which are skills you're going to need if you want to do anything useful with BSD.

I agree with the original response, and I don't think it was unfounded. If the person can't figure out how to get a desktop installed on it, they probably don't know how to learn to do it, and they probably shouldn't be using BSD in the first place.

Call me elitist, but I'm tired of pandering to idiots.

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RE[3]: Anybody know
by Flatland_Spider on Wed 8th Aug 2007 20:39 in reply to "RE[2]: Anybody know"
Flatland_Spider Member since:
2006-09-01

It should also be pointed out that the original post was pretty ignorant to begin with.

If the poster has had asked for information on how to get Dfly to boot into GUI mode, it would have been a different story. As it stands the poster looks like someone who installed Ubuntu for the first time then goes around saying he's a 'leet hacker.

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RE[2]: Anybody know
by Oliver on Tue 7th Aug 2007 07:35 in reply to "RE: Anybody know"
Oliver Member since:
2006-07-15

Just huge nonsense. The self-proclaimed goal of FreeBSD is the desktop too (Scott Long, 2006) and people from Open or Net didn't refuse the desktop at all. In fact there are a lot of people using all kind of *BSD at the desktop without any problems.

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RE[3]: Anybody know
by marafaka on Tue 7th Aug 2007 08:45 in reply to "RE[2]: Anybody know"
marafaka Member since:
2006-01-03

Managing a BSD desktop requires a lot of knowledge and time. BSD is not for casual computer users, saying otherwise could lead to disappointments.

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RE[3]: Anybody know
by bryanv on Tue 7th Aug 2007 15:45 in reply to "RE[2]: Anybody know"
bryanv Member since:
2005-08-26

Scott Long, 2006

Well after the DragonFly fork.

DUH!

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RE[3]: Anybody know
by Janizary on Tue 7th Aug 2007 23:48 in reply to "RE[2]: Anybody know"
Janizary Member since:
2006-03-12

So, Scott Long is the only developer of FreeBSD then? This happened in 2006 you say? Honestly, you'd think they'd have let us know that.

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