Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 9th Aug 2007 17:31 UTC, submitted by flanque
Windows In a move that will likely only further confuse the situation surrounding Vista Service Pack 1, Microsoft has posted for public download two updates that were released to beta testers last month. The patches improve Vista performance and reliability, along with the operating system's compatibility with drivers and hardware. Some of the changes include better file copy performance, faster boot times, improved compatibility with newer graphics cards, and better performance in games with advanced visuals.
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RE: refreshing
by mkools on Thu 9th Aug 2007 18:03 UTC in reply to "refreshing"
mkools
Member since:
2005-10-11

The bugs that are addressed by these updates shouldn't be there in the first place if this OS was thoroughly tested before they shipped it. This is just a move to stop people running away from Vista back to XP.

Come on, how hard can it be to test file copy performance and compare it to Windows XP. That should have taken them only a couple of minutes and nobody noticed this at the time they started shipping Vista.

Give me a break...

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RE[2]: refreshing
by Flatline on Thu 9th Aug 2007 18:08 in reply to "RE: refreshing"
Flatline Member since:
2006-03-06

Don't get me wrong; I agree with you. Some of the bugs (the file copy performance one being a glaring example) should never have made it into a shipping product. I didn't mean that they had done anything spectacular, just that it is a good thing they are actually working on fixing the problems with Vista.

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RE[3]: refreshing
by mkools on Thu 9th Aug 2007 18:13 in reply to "RE[2]: refreshing"
mkools Member since:
2005-10-11

Yeah it would be something if they left everybody in the cold with a product that has a 549 euro pricelabel attached to it.

But I hear you, it sure is a nice attempt, a little late but better late then never.

Edited 2007-08-09 18:14

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RE[2]: refreshing
by flanque on Thu 9th Aug 2007 21:06 in reply to "RE: refreshing"
flanque Member since:
2005-12-15

Whilst in principal I agree with you, it's not something that is Microsoft centric.

Take a look at any Windows, MacOS, Linux or UNIX operating system and you'll see hundreds of bugs or problems that shouldn't have been there in the first place.

As far as running away from Vista back to XP, I really don't see this as realistic. For those whom will stick with Windows, which is the overwhelming majority, moving onto Vista is inevitable. We cannot escape it.

There's a lot of talk around right now about how horrible and unncessary Vista is, but keep in mind the same things were being said about Windows 98, Windows 2000 and particularly Windows XP, yet here we are now defending Windows XP over Vista.

Sure, there are problems and it'd be silly to say otherwise, but after a few bug fixes Vista will be what Microsoft has said and we'll all wonder what we did without the benefits of Vista in times gone by.

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RE[3]: refreshing
by Tyr. on Thu 9th Aug 2007 22:39 in reply to "RE[2]: refreshing"
Tyr. Member since:
2005-07-06

Whilst in principal I agree with you, it's not something that is Microsoft centric.

Take a look at any Windows, MacOS, Linux or UNIX operating system and you'll see hundreds of bugs or problems that shouldn't have been there in the first place.


Sure, but I'm damn confident that any version of OS X I can find won't have a problem copying and deleting files. People are so used to MS' bull that they're not even fased by this anymore, but think about it and I mean REALLY think about it. An OS years in development by the worlds largest software company costing hundreds of dollars and it had a *performance problem* regarding basic file manipulations.
That isn't "one that got through", that's some pretty sad shit.

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RE[3]: refreshing
by dtiziani on Fri 10th Aug 2007 00:47 in reply to "RE[2]: refreshing"
dtiziani Member since:
2005-07-13

I agree with you (most), but the shame is the fact that people have to spend hundreds of dollars just to be a beta-tester, which has been the police of microsoft till now.

XP was not addopted (just OEM, because of lack of choices, common in MS world), just later, and so should be Vista.

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RE[2]: refreshing
by sappyvcv on Thu 9th Aug 2007 22:41 in reply to "RE: refreshing"
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2005-07-06

The bugs that are addressed by these updates shouldn't be there in the first place

You don't have experience in the software industry do you? Or writing software even.

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RE[3]: refreshing
by dylansmrjones on Fri 10th Aug 2007 10:29 in reply to "RE[2]: refreshing"
dylansmrjones Member since:
2005-10-02

They still shouldn't be there. The fact that software is bound to have bugs - especially children syndromes - does not mean they should be there ;)

And some of the bugs are embarrassing. But it should noted that Microsoft isn't the only one to have such issues. You can find embarrasing bugs too in Gnome. Drag'n'drop from file-roller for an instance (though the embarrasing part is the age of that bug).

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RE[2]: refreshing
by MollyC on Fri 10th Aug 2007 02:57 in reply to "RE: refreshing"
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2006-07-04

"The bugs that are addressed by these updates shouldn't be there in the first place if this OS was thoroughly tested before they shipped it."

I think Vista had the largest private and public beta program in history. But new versions of OSes shipping with noticeable bugs is normal. Does nobody remember the horror that was Mac OSX 10.0?


" This is just a move to stop people running away from Vista back to XP. "

Er, what does this mean, exactly? What do you mean that it's *just* a move to stop people running from Vista to XP? Are you saying that Microsoft shouldn't have fixed these problems?

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RE[3]: refreshing
by cyclops on Fri 10th Aug 2007 04:10 in reply to "RE[2]: refreshing"
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2006-03-12

"I think Vista had the largest private and public beta program in history. But new versions of OSes shipping with noticeable bugs is normal. Does nobody remember the horror that was Mac OSX 10.0? "

Yes but it would be nice if they actually labeled it beta, and didn't charge extortionate money for it. How is comparing the revolution that was MAC OSX 10 released only 1.5 years after MAC OS 9 compared to the 5 years between Vista and XP and we are still waiting for a stable release.

Although I love the way people try and point out flaws in other OS's. Its a shame examples are 6 years old, or just made up.

I'm just lost why Vista uses can't say something like "Vista with its bundled packages and new interface, have more than made up for any regressions in performance and compatibility, and Microsoft with updates like this one add *continually* addressing the problems"...Its a lie they should have made it work in the first place, but it *should* be increasingly difficult to argue with...

...anything else is just excusing a poor product on launch, and Microsoft with all its resources shouldn't need one.

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RE[3]: refreshing
by viton on Fri 10th Aug 2007 10:31 in reply to "RE: refreshing"
viton Member since:
2005-08-09

I think Vista had the largest private and public beta program in history

Heh, 5 of 10 apps i tried on my new Vista based laptop are succesfully crashed.
Probably they should use Wine ;)

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