Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 13th Aug 2007 21:38 UTC, submitted by flanque
Windows Microsoft has had to create a new build of Windows XP Professional for computer makers because the six-year-old operating system's continued popularity has nearly exhausted the supply of product activation keys. The new build, dubbed SP2c, includes no fixes or feature changes, but was created simply to address the shrinking pool of product keys. XP Pro SP2c, which has been released to manufacturing, will be made available to OEMs and system builders next month, said Microsoft.
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RE: Monopoly
by rx182 on Mon 13th Aug 2007 22:23 UTC in reply to "Monopoly"
rx182
Member since:
2005-07-08

I don't agree with you.

XP is still there because it's "damn good"(tm). The only downside of this beautiful OS is that it's unsecure in Administrator Mode which is the default. Make all your family and friends running XP in Limited mode and you'e got the best solution for them.

Honestly, XP has strong points. It's fast, it boots fast, it has tons of software (opensource, freeware, shareware, retail), it got support for everything (Microsoft monopoly), it got a professional look (classic mode) but can be really sexy with 3rd party themes, etc.

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RE[2]: Monopoly
by leos on Mon 13th Aug 2007 22:31 in reply to "RE: Monopoly"
leos Member since:
2005-09-21

XP is still there because it's "damn good"(tm).


Perhaps this should be a poll ;) XP is still here because...

I think it is still here because it's good enough for most people, and all the serious bugs and performance problems have been hammered out after 6 years of use by hundreds of millions of people. Also Vista is still kind of slow and buggy, so there is no alternative in Windows land. I'm sure that when Vista gets the same "mass testing" treatment, it will improve as well.
Neither XP or Vista are ideal for me, but I realize that for most users it is fine. After XP SP2, I can't see much point in setting up Linux for my parents. Before that XP was too insecure, and there were constant problems with adware and viruses. Now, XPSP2 with Firefox and AVG is good enough to keep the emergency computer fixing sessions to a minimum.

Edited 2007-08-13 22:36

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RE[2]: Monopoly
by SlackerJack on Mon 13th Aug 2007 22:46 in reply to "RE: Monopoly"
SlackerJack Member since:
2005-11-12

I can look sexy with false bright white teeth and beautiful with cosmetic surgery.

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RE[3]: Monopoly
by BluenoseJake on Mon 13th Aug 2007 23:52 in reply to "RE[2]: Monopoly"
BluenoseJake Member since:
2005-08-11

Are you sure about that? :-)

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RE[3]: Monopoly
by Morgan on Tue 14th Aug 2007 01:13 in reply to "RE[2]: Monopoly"
Morgan Member since:
2005-06-29

From your OSNews name, I assume you are a Slackware user (correct me if I'm wrong please) so I would venture a guess that you are using an OS that is by default much more visually appealing than XP's default. However, I will say that with a hacked uxtheme.dll and one of the amazing visual styles available around the web, XP can indeed become easier on the eyes. I've found it almost a necessity to use a subdued and slightly rounded/hinted style so that I'm not blinded by the Luna themes or jarred by the classic theme. It may sound silly to some, but the GUI theme can indeed impact a person's experience with a computer, both positively and negatively.

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RE[2]: Monopoly
by DHofmann on Mon 13th Aug 2007 22:52 in reply to "RE: Monopoly"
DHofmann Member since:
2005-08-19

The only downside of this beautiful OS is that it's unsecure in Administrator Mode which is the default. Make all your family and friends running XP in Limited mode and you'e got the best solution for them.


I tried that, but getting some software to run as a normal user is difficult. Often you have to change permissions on directories and registry paths.

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RE[3]: Monopoly
by WyldStylist on Tue 14th Aug 2007 09:43 in reply to "RE[2]: Monopoly"
WyldStylist Member since:
2006-12-30

The only downside of this beautiful OS is that it's unsecure in Administrator Mode which is the default. Make all your family and friends running XP in Limited mode and you'e got the best solution for them.

I did something else , ran as admin (nlited version)
No IE no print spooler/windows time/file protection and that stuff, i have only 5 services running .
Mshtml.dll core was removed and i used the offbyone web browser and sometimes k-meleon .
I also had bugoff disable insecurities.
I had absolutely no problems with XP stuff since most problems were not even installed 300 mb windows folder,
no need to update anything , im still on same system installed it like a year ago ;)
XP is very stable for advanced users (not always everyday user)

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RE[3]: Monopoly
by WyldStylist on Tue 14th Aug 2007 09:44 in reply to "RE[2]: Monopoly"
WyldStylist Member since:
2006-12-30

The only downside of this beautiful OS is that it's unsecure in Administrator Mode which is the default. Make all your family and friends running XP in Limited mode and you'e got the best solution for them.

I did something else , ran as admin (nlited version)
No IE no print spooler/windows time/file protection and that stuff, i have only 5 services running .
Mshtml.dll core was removed and i used the offbyone web browser and sometimes k-meleon .
I also had bugoff disable insecurities.
I had absolutely no problems with XP stuff since most problems were not even installed 300 mb windows folder,
no need to update anything , im still on same system installed it like a year ago ;)
XP is very stable for advanced users (not always everyday user)

Sorry for posting twice i thought first was never posted.

Edited 2007-08-14 09:45

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v RE[2]: Monopoly
by shapeshifter on Tue 14th Aug 2007 12:40 in reply to "RE: Monopoly"
RE[3]: Monopoly
by rx182 on Tue 14th Aug 2007 13:34 in reply to "RE[2]: Monopoly"
rx182 Member since:
2005-07-08


I don't understand why you got score of 12 because you're more ignorant than a door knob (I'd say dumn but that might sound ofensive).

Windows (in general all versions) is a showcase of bad software design.
You don't know what fast and multiuser is until you use Linux or *nix.

The only part you got right is the one with monopoly in it.


You're blind. I do use Linux (Mint Linux atm). But I think the Windows platform is more appealing to me.

Windows NT design is NOT bad. Example. On Linux, everyone use X most of the time nowaday. If X crashes, it's like the whole OS crashes right? They lose all their work anyway. Sure, we can argue that system services are unaffected but anyway, since we are talking about desktops, it doesn't matter much. And anyway, XP never blue screens unless you are using defective device drivers. Sadly, X doesn't take advantage of this: X is just another process.

On Windows, you use the GUI all the time too. It makes sense to have parts of the GUI API in ring0: the system is much more responsitive. That's why I say NT isn't badly designed: the design of NT tries to maximize the user experience, not to follow some ideological concepts (see GNU Hurd).

And the OS itself isn't the only appealing thing. Honestly, I much prefer Visual Studio 2005/2008b2 with the .NET framework over Eclipse and Java. I think the Microsoft alternative increases my productivity alot and the end result is better/faster software. No one can argue that .NET is bad design: it must be the best damn API ever made.

And of course, like I said in my first post: Windows has the most software. If you are using something on your Linux box or on your Mac to do some task X, you sure will find a Windows application to do task X which is more more adavanced than the one you're using right now (think about all cd/dvd drive emus (DTools), advanced cd/dvd burning apps (CloneCD, Alcohol), etc).

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RE[3]: Monopoly
by Laurence on Tue 14th Aug 2007 16:38 in reply to "RE[2]: Monopoly"
Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

"I don't understand why you got score of 12 because you're more ignorant than a door knob (I'd say dumn but that might sound ofensive).

Windows (in general all versions) is a showcase of bad software design.
You don't know what fast and multiuser is until you use Linux or *nix.

The only part you got right is the one with monopoly in it."


You had some valid points but there really wasn't any need to be that abusive in conveying them.

Poor show mate.

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RE[2]: Monopoly
by StephenBeDoper on Tue 14th Aug 2007 18:35 in reply to "RE: Monopoly"
StephenBeDoper Member since:
2005-07-06

Make all your family and friends running XP in Limited mode and you'e got the best solution for them.


That is effective - but not nearly as practical for home users. In my previous job, I was the de-facto admin of a small computer lab (about a dozen PCs) - with win2k and the default account given guest permissions.

But when I've tried to do that for home users, it's been more hassle than it was worth. Inevitably I would get an endless stream of phonecalls where I would have to walk the user through E.g. the installation of software that required admin rights (and often, changing the permissions of the program's folder after installing it - so that non-admin users could actually *run* it), or changing settings in the control panel that are admin-only (most of them, IIRC), etc.

It works great in an environment where there's an IT staff/person who has ultimate control over the machines. But in a home environment, people expect to have full control over their computers - and XP's functionality for access resources as different users is pretty perfunctory (E.g., the insane syntax of runas in the CMD shell, the way you have to make *shortcuts* to control panel items to use Run As on them, the way you have to us Run As on IExplore in order to open a file manager as a different user, etc).

I will say, though, that the combination of AVG Free + Spybot + regular scheduled auto-updates and scans is quite effective for keeping XP clean for home users who don't want to put up with the hassle of running as a non-admin.

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