Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 14th Aug 2007 22:04 UTC
Gnome "We want to develop a free and complete set of user friendly applications and desktop tools, similar to CDE and KDE but based entirely on free software." Those were the opening lines of Miguel De Icaza's email announcing the GNU Network Object Model Environment, better known as GNOME, exactly (in my timezone) ten years ago, on 15th August 1997. They have come a long way from this, to this.
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Reply to Miguel's post
by Jack Malmostoso on Wed 15th Aug 2007 05:57 UTC
Jack Malmostoso
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2006-01-20

I think it's very nice that Miguel's announcement was immediately followed by the first Gnome vs. KDE flame in history:

http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gtk-list/1997-August/msg00144.html

"IMHO this is a knee-jerk reaction to a nonexistent problem.

Best of luck doing this with GTK... it has a long ways to catch up with
Qt."

:D

RE: Reply to Miguel's post
by superstoned on Wed 15th Aug 2007 09:08 in reply to "Reply to Miguel's post"
superstoned Member since:
2005-07-07

yeah, time has proven it was a silly reason - Qt is now more free (GPL) than GTK (Lesser GPL). and it is still ahead of GTK...

Yet, Gnome did the free desktop a lot of good, leading the way in usability (not to everybody's happiness, but still) and through competition ensuring the Free desktop is better than it would have been without Gnome. So congrats on these 10 years...

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RE[2]: Reply to Miguel's post
by kelvin on Wed 15th Aug 2007 09:45 in reply to "RE: Reply to Miguel's post"
kelvin Member since:
2005-07-06

Qt is now more free (GPL) than GTK (Lesser GPL)


This is neither the time nor the place to discuss this, but no it isn't. The GPL places more restrictions on developers than the LGPL does; hence the LGPL is a more free license.

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RE[2]: Reply to Miguel's post
by irbis on Wed 15th Aug 2007 15:26 in reply to "RE: Reply to Miguel's post"
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2005-07-08

"Qt is now more free (GPL) than GTK (Lesser GPL)"

QT is licensed under a double license: not only pure GPL but also a commercial, proprietary license. If you want to write commercial proprietary applications with QT, GPL is not enough but you have to buy a commercial license from Trolltech. That could restrict commercial development of QT-based proprietary apps (mobile apps, games etc.).

From Wikipedia QT article:
"Proprietary commercial development requires the commercial license, and, unlike some open source software libraries, Qt is not licensed under the GNU Lesser General Public License and does not include a GPL linking exception."

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RE[2]: Reply to Miguel's post
by bryanv on Wed 15th Aug 2007 18:27 in reply to "RE: Reply to Miguel's post"
bryanv Member since:
2005-08-26

That all depends on how you look at "free".

If "free" means the fewest restrictions on use, then GNOME is far free-er than QT.

Of course, I don't expect GPL zealots to understand that you do not gain freedom by adding restrictions, so whatever...

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