Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 15th Aug 2007 20:02 UTC, submitted by Raffaele
Amiga & AROS In a discussion on Amiga forum site The Amigans, the Friedens twin brothers (developers of AmigaOS 4.0 exec kernel) revealed that the complete Amiga OS architecture will move ahead to a new design. The new AmigaOS (let's call it AmigaOS 4+1) will include some sort of virtual environment in which old (AmigaOS 4.0) applications will run as separate tasks, in their own address space. MorphOS, an Amiga-like operating system, employs a similar method to allow for compatibility with older Amiga 3.x applications. AmigaWorld of course also discusses the matter.
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About new AmigaOS and Amiga sites
by freaks on Thu 16th Aug 2007 07:16 UTC
freaks
Member since:
2006-02-17

(cross posting from amigans.net)



For the record, since this thread was linked on osnews.com too, and i'm not allowed to speak my mind or any objective criticisms on amigans.net and amigaworld.net (where i was told "there's no such thing as freedom of speech here" while being heavily moderated) let me say this:

My posts on theses sites were edited by moderators, content removed, changed, and some of my posts were even completly deleted, as if they never existed at all.

This isn't right. my posts didn't contained any insults, threats, spam , i didn't swear either or anything that deserved such heavy moderation.

It's like countries under dictatorship. only what please the ppl controlling the media is allowed to be said.
and it look like what i said didn't pleased at all.
what was the content you might ask ?

it was things like this:


- AmigaOS4 don't have any form of protection from it's own tasks (any badly behaving app can kill the whole system, which is what happen frequently..means *a lot*)
- doesn't have utf8 support
- lots of documents cannot be viewed or edited (no support for this or that format).
- there's no up to date and css capable browser
- no large file support
- it use an old (1993) outdated API, thus terribly limitating
- the moderation on amiga sites is way too strong. anything that doesn't please get deleted or edited without your consent.


It's up to you (OS4 devs and Amiga sites moderators) to change theses facts and thus make Amiga world a more interesting place for potential new users.

And in case this post gets edited or deleted, i'm cross posting it to osnews.

i told you outside world is watching.. I didn't linked this thread to OSNews. but there's a good counter part to this .. this outside world being watching means there's still interest. think about what you could to make this OS more appealing and Amiga forums less ghestappo-like and you might at last interest new users.


And by the way, most of this is also valid for Morphos as well.

Reply Score: 2

corto Member since:
2005-08-30

I don't understand why a post in an Amiga forum comes here like an official announcement about a major step of the OS.

@freaks

- lots of crashs ? Not here. Stop using old and/or buggy apps. Many new programs have been created.
- lots of documents are not supported ? Even Word files can be managed thanks to AbiWord.
- the API is outdated and in fact, low-level. There are additionnal libraries but some high-level functions miss
- about moderation ... it is necessary to avoid pollution. Everyone knows how it is easy to start trolling or giving unrealistic arguments in forums.

In fact, the major issue is the lack of a modern browser.

Reply Parent Score: 2

freaks Member since:
2006-02-17

what about memory protection and utf8 support for example?
don't you think they are major issues too?

especialy memory protection. any badly behaving program can trash the whole system. that's what happen.. a lot!
countless crashs and reboot.
saying it's stable on your computer is simply not true.

everybody knows even best programs aren't 100% bug free.
and when the OS cannot manage programs thrashing memory or killing OS resources because of bugs or intentionnal malicious code, what happen is crash, reboot and total insecurity.

for example yesterday night i tryed latest Scalos desktop replacement. agreed it's still beta software, but since there isn't any form of protection in the system, i ended up crashing and rebooting something like 30 times in 4 hours time. this is inacceptable in 2007 for an operating system to let this happen.

if what i said wasn't true, why on earth do you think official OS4 development team are planning implementing memory protection in a future OS update at all ?

of course it's true. you cannot expect any user to select only good behaving applications and hope and pray
everything will go smooth. you cannot expect developpers to make 100% bug-free programs .. this is ridiculous.

i'm eagerly waiting for memory protection to be implemented in Amiga system

Edited 2007-08-16 08:45

Reply Parent Score: 1