Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 19th Aug 2007 18:57 UTC
Apple "Apple's iWork '08 boasts improvements to the software suite's word processing and presentation applications, but - more importantly - it fills the suite's spreadsheet hole with Numbers. eWEEK Labs ran Numbers through its paces, and found it to be a strong addition to the productivity software market and a promising alternative to Microsoft Excel."
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Why not just OpenOffice?
by ggeldenhuys on Sun 19th Aug 2007 22:04 UTC
ggeldenhuys
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2006-11-13

Yet another office suite! I guess competition is good. For me, OpenOffice works perfectly on all the platforms I have available and I can share my documents between all those systems. It is also a robust application thats been around for a good few years. Oh and the price of OpenOffice is excellent - ZERO!! :-)

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RE: Why not just OpenOffice?
by aliquis on Sun 19th Aug 2007 22:27 in reply to "Why not just OpenOffice?"
aliquis Member since:
2005-07-23

Because OpenOffice is a Microsoft Office copycat/wannabe, and therefor has all the flaws of the later one. iWork is something fresh and innovative with it's own unique user interface and functions. They have actually thinked themself how it should be done, not just copied Microsoft like everyone in the open source movement tend to do.

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RE[2]: Why not just OpenOffice?
by Obscurus on Mon 20th Aug 2007 02:03 in reply to "RE: Why not just OpenOffice?"
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2006-04-20

I don't actually think MS Office is all that flawed (at least, not the most recent versions). MS Excel is an exceptionally good product, and I am yet to find another spreadsheet program that compares to the power and flexibility Excel offers. Word is also a very good word processor. Access is rubbish however (Filemaker is much better), and powerpoint is OK, but the OpenOffice equivalent is adequate as well.

OpenOffice is OK, but for all of Microsoft's flaws, Word and Excel are very nice apps. IMO.

I'm really happy with what MS have done as far as Office 2007 goes. OO is a bit sluggish by comparison, in my experience, and doesn't have all of the features and polish that Office does. Plus, Office is a lot swifter now that they cracked down on their coders putting in ridiculous easter eggs like flight simulators into their products.

That said, I think it is great that Apple is launching their own spreadsheet app - there is a desperate need for MS to have some decent competition. I'll have to check it out.

The more competition there is, the more MS will be forced to use open standards.

Edited 2007-08-20 02:09

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RE: Why not just OpenOffice?
by Moochman on Sun 19th Aug 2007 23:43 in reply to "Why not just OpenOffice?"
Moochman Member since:
2005-07-06

I've seen keynote presentations that were 10 times nicer looking than any PowerPoint presentation I had ever seen, created by a novice. Just to give you an idea of "why something else".

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RE[2]: Why not just OpenOffice?
by Obscurus on Mon 20th Aug 2007 08:15 in reply to "RE: Why not just OpenOffice?"
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2006-04-20

I agree, Keynote is much better than Powerpoint. Excel is Mocrosoft's crown jewel, and while word is a very capable app, it has some very decent competition that makes it less relevant. The rest of the MS Office suite is really average, but then, there is really only so much more that you can add to office software. Competing products will start to converge on the optimum solution after a while, to the point that price and file format support become the critical factors in choosing which one you will use.

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RE: Why not just OpenOffice?
by Sabon on Mon 20th Aug 2007 16:44 in reply to "Why not just OpenOffice?"
Sabon Member since:
2005-07-06

Yet another office suite! I guess competition is good. For me, OpenOffice works perfectly on all the platforms I have available and I can share my documents between all those systems. It is also a robust application thats been around for a good few years. Oh and the price of OpenOffice is excellent - ZERO!! :-)


OpenOffice is:
1) Clunky
2) Ulgy
3) Slow
4) Bloated
5) Extremely limited format wise. What I mean by that is:
While you can merge cells, the cell widths are locked in for all the rows below it. In order to have a slightly or completely different column widths you have to either use a new sheet or move over to a new set of columns on the sheet you are on. Neither are flexible for viewing the different sections on the screen at the same time.
I've been using spreadsheets for over 25 years. I'm considered an expert when the accounting people need help and they create tons of complex spreadsheets.
Numbers is the first big refresh of ideas for spreadsheets since being able to merge cells.

All the above can also be said about Excel except ugly. In place of ugly, put "extremely way over priced" in for Excel.

There is very little Excel wise that any of the finance people use that Numbers doesn't have. There are a few things but my guess is that enough people like me are letting Apple know what needs to be added and they will take care of this. It's called, "Feedback". Apple is quite good at adding things if enough people let Apple know about it.

One of the things I'm expecting Apple to add before Numbers 2 is macros or whatever you want to call programming in spreadsheets. Microsoft uses Visual Basic (not for Mac Office 2008 though - that is using Apple's equivalent) but Apple has a far better scripting program which is a lot easier for the "average" person to figure out. If they can figure out it, it means more power to them.
Just like when spreadsheets like Visicalc came to the first PC. It was simple AMAZING how it changed people's lives. I was there. I was part of it. I not only watch it happen but was one of the people heavily (in a good way) affected by this. How many people do you know that used Lots 1-2-3 ver 1.01? I was one of them on a IBM XT.
Yes there were spreadsheets before that. But this was the first one that I can use to download from the mainframe and upload back up to the mainframe (using 3rd party software). If only I had the skills to write a book about it, which I don't, which is why I'm not in that field.

Edited 2007-08-20 17:00

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