Linked by kvaruni on Mon 11th Jul 2005 14:48 UTC
Linux The true reason for this article is to point out some sensitive points and to start a discussion. Hopefully, this discussion will produce some useful outcome and if some people in the Linux community are willing to listen to them, I would already be very enthusiastic. Let's start, shall we?
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RE: @Thom_Holwerda
by Thom_Holwerda on Mon 11th Jul 2005 19:07 UTC in reply to "@Thom_Holwerda"
Thom_Holwerda
Member since:
2005-06-29

1. some apps use system trashcan to delete, some don't???

Basically all apps in OSX can be deleted by dragging them to the trash. Some bigger apps, like MS Office, require an uninstaller because they need to install stuff in system directories. There's a very simple rule: if you installed the app by drag/drop, you can remove it by drag/drop. Doesn't get much easier than that.

3. Network,Go to folder and Connect to server??? Same thing, different approach

Nonsense, they're not the same thing. 'Network' is a special folder where all network shortcuts (ie. SAMBA shares) are put. 'Go to folder...' is what you use to directly go to a local folder. 'Connect to server' is for directly connecting to a certain PC, or to a FTP using the ip address or simply the name. These are different things. According to your logic, typing in "/usr/local/bin" in a 'Find' dialog is the same as typing "cd /usr/local/bin". Flawed logic, sir.

4. Terminal, folder structure is different than GUI one???

This is actually the best thing Apple has ever done when it comes to userfriendlyness. Only power users use the Terminal, hence that's the place where the real FS structure is hidden. Actually, KDE and Gnome do exactly the same thing with "Computer" or "My Computer" or whatever.

5. Everytime Finder crashes, it changes order of desktop icons???

Finder crashing? Damn, never had my Finder crash.

6. Search in 10.3 Finder window spells everywhere, why this isn't everywhere

What?

7. Got 3 Library and after installation software stores its data wherever possible. For example removing Acrobat is not a simple drag Acrobat to trash. It is stored in:
user/library/preferences/acrobat
user/library/caches/acrobat
systemdisk/library/application support/adobe/acrobat
user/library/application support/adobe/acrobat
user/library/acrobat user data
user/library/receipts/com.adobe.Acrobat.pro
+ location where you actualy installed acrobat
and god only knows where else


This is because those files store the user data and settings. So whenever you re-install Reader, it has the same preferences. Same happens in Linux, where deleting an app with <insert package manager> doesn't always remove the ".application" folder in your /home dir. Why do you use Reader anyway? Preview is much better for reading pdfs.

8. Webdav and ftp with finder never worked as it should, but it works wrong different with every system update

Works fine here. When I click on a FTP link on a website, Finder connects and I can easily use the ftp folder as if it was a local folder.

9. Printers, time to figure out how to print to a file (PS, not PDF with Acrobat), or how intuitive *NOT* this configuration is compared to the others

Printer config is a breeze in OS X (can't say the same for scanners though). Printing to a PS file isn't useful for an end user anyway. At least OSX *can* print to PDF out of the box.

10. Desktop icons covering one another when apperaring, I now have at least 5 icons in my lower right corner (not every icon, just every once in a while)

Never had that problem.

11. Not every action shows that anything is happening, it is better none than some (at least it is consistant)

What?

12. Closing last document, and not closing application?

When I close *any* document, the app closes. You see, the little red bubble in the windowtitle means: 'close window', not 'close application'. The latter is placed in the 'File' menu, or apple+q. I's simply a different approach to UI design. I prefer it over anything else.

13. Inconsistant Open and Save allover the system. sometimes it is a dialog sometimes not, sometimes offers you different location selection, while sometimes two?

I always get the same "open" dialog suspended from the main window.

14. Buttons on dialogs are either at the bottom centred, bottom right or right top?

What? They're always in the same place here.

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RE[2]: @Thom_Holwerda
by somebody on Mon 11th Jul 2005 21:05 in reply to "RE: @Thom_Holwerda"
somebody Member since:
2005-07-07

1. Not talking about applications, use Mail for example and drag one item over trash, trash flashes just the same as with file, but nothing happens.
MacOS used trash for everything
3. Not really some of us do use Connect To Server by default, and for my surprise browse never found anything. Network shows only partial network resources (SMB and iTunes). And Open Location can do everything that Connect to server can. Read manual.
4. Not hidden, completely different
5. Often
6. In every finder window there is a quickfind which by default contains "everywhere". I already got fed up of users that think that this is sherlock.
7. One location would be acceptable, but so many, c'mon
8. Depends on server settings. As I heard. But it is a major mistake
9. OSX Printing To PDF is not adequate for DTP.
10. Mostly
11. WHen you start app, icon jumps, but many operations are silent, do not show progress, and do not show any action.
12. So you don't use no Adobe software, no TextEdit...
13. Look carefully
14. Yeah right, TextEdit and Addressbook. Textedit has dialog, while AddressBokk is different. Look at preferences etc, not just open/save for button layout

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RE[3]: @Thom_Holwerda
by Thom_Holwerda on Mon 11th Jul 2005 21:46 in reply to "RE[2]: @Thom_Holwerda"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

3. Not really some of us do use Connect To Server by default, and for my surprise browse never found anything. Network shows only partial network resources (SMB and iTunes). And Open Location can do everything that Connect to server can. Read manual.

Yes, but for less knowledgeable users, it makes sense to differentiate between connecting to an FTP folder and a local one. Think beyond yourself.

4. Not hidden, completely different

The normal unix FS structure is hidden in Finder. That is done to make it more userfriendly. As I said, KDE and Gnome do the same. The real FS structure is visible in the Terminal only for power users.

5. Often

Any actual cases and reproduceable scenarios, please.

6. In every finder window there is a quickfind which by default contains "everywhere". I already got fed up of users that think that this is sherlock.

Not here. Input fields are all empty.

7. One location would be acceptable, but so many, c'mon

Doesn't change my point.

8. Depends on server settings. As I heard. But it is a major mistake

Works fine, always. Never had problems.

9. OSX Printing To PDF is not adequate for DTP.

How many end users do true DTP?

10. Mostly

You're doing odd things with your Mac.

11. WHen you start app, icon jumps, but many operations are silent, do not show progress, and do not show any action.

Can you give any examples instead of saying vague stuff like 'many operations'? Bouncing dock icon instead of the sand-cursor.

12. So you don't use no Adobe software, no TextEdit...

What? Please, please, try to make sense.

13. Look carefully

Still the same answer.

14. Yeah right, TextEdit and Addressbook. Textedit has dialog, while AddressBokk is different. Look at preferences etc, not just open/save for button layout

What?

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Seriously, you need to learn to give examples and describe in more detail, because now, you're just making stuff up.

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