It is not too surprising that Ubuntu came in first in DesktopLinux.com's 2007 Desktop Linux Market Survey, or that Firefox was the topmost browser by far. More interesting is that for the first time ever in the site's annual surveys, GNOME surpassed KDE among desktop environments (45% over 35%), with Xfce a solid third (8%).
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Member since:2005-07-07
LOL
yeah, this shows how it is a matter of perception, not reality. Reality would say KDE is less bloated than Gnome, or equally so at worst. By sharing more functionality, you save memory and disc usage. And it's usability has been hugely improved since 3.2 (which was horrible, indeed). Yet ppl still consider it bloated because it comes with big libraries (even though that's efficient thus good) and think it's unusable.
Certainly, Gnome is ahead in the usability area (except for those area's where it is simply missing crucial functionality). But both KDE and Gnome are mostly ahead of the competition (MS, that is) in the area of usability...
Member since:2005-07-24
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Ivory tower, academic reality perhaps. I support business desktops. And in practical reality a business desktop needs Firefox in place of Konqueror, OpenOffice instead of Koffice, Thunderbird instead of Kmail. And often, IE under Crossover, too. The memory savings you refer to quickly get swallowed up by a sea of external libraries.
Member since:2006-02-28
Pat Volkerding gave up on gnome because of maintenance complexity, _not_ because of gnome complexity. There is a huge difference between bloat on the backstage (maintenance, development for devs, compilation, installation for power users/distro developers), and bloat on the stage (slow response, big memory footprint, weird bugs/crashes, brain-dead UI consistency and usability). One refers to the code itself, the other refers to what the code is doing.
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Edited 2007-08-23 12:02
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Indeed. To put that in perspective, it took over 3 and a half years from the release of kernel 2.6.0 for Slackware to move from 2.4.x to 2.6.x. Until last month, Slackware was still 2.4.x-based.
What Patrick accomplishes may be impressive for a one man show. But an impressive one man show is still a one man show. His human resources are extremely limited, and KDE definitely comes with less in the way of dependency issues.
Member since:2005-07-06
Erm. Both things a distro maintainer should ALWAYS take into account when constructing a distro.
Really, they're just different DE's. Some people prefer Apples, other Oranges. That's it. Some people will fly around KDE, know every shortcut, intuitively understand dialog boxes, settings, etc.
Those same people will feel Gnome is clunky, boxy, overly restricted and limited with a lack of configuration/tweaking options.
The same goes the opposite way - Gnome users may find KDE too cluttered and complex, etc.
What the REALITY is most users have used both. Most people aren't religious about it. It reminds me of the Red vs. Blue talk in the USA that polarizes so many people for no reason. Most are in the middle and have their preferences.
Fighting about it is pointless...
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2006-07-15
[quote] Gnome is just simpler and cleaner. That's why I switched to it.[/quote]
but of course!!! that is the reason why gnome was dropped of slackware ! clearly slackware is only for giant bloated "mass", there is no room for simpler and cleaner things in slackware !