Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 22nd Aug 2007 22:10 UTC, submitted by anonymous
Linux It is not too surprising that Ubuntu came in first in DesktopLinux.com's 2007 Desktop Linux Market Survey, or that Firefox was the topmost browser by far. More interesting is that for the first time ever in the site's annual surveys, GNOME surpassed KDE among desktop environments (45% over 35%), with Xfce a solid third (8%).
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RE: Gnome is back
by superstoned on Thu 23rd Aug 2007 11:55 UTC in reply to "Gnome is back"
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2005-07-07

The reason he dumped gnome had nothing to do with its popularity, but with the fact he wasted a huge amount off his time getting it to build. If the Gnomes fix their build system, he might add it back. They should consider CMAKE, imho, though their NIH syndrome won't allow that, I'm afraid.

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RE[2]: Gnome is back
by SlackerJack on Thu 23rd Aug 2007 12:07 in reply to "RE: Gnome is back"
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2005-11-12

Well KDE used the new tools like CMAKE mainly for crossplatform reasons I read(one of the main reasons for using dbus as well).

Personally I dont see the big deal with porting to Windows, fine the applications(which GTK has already) but the desktop i'm not a big fan of waste resources on that to port the entire DE.

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RE[3]: Gnome is back
by KugelKurt on Thu 23rd Aug 2007 12:50 in reply to "RE[2]: Gnome is back"
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2005-07-06

KDE uses CMake for various reasons.
The KDE guys said that autotools is too compicated (new developers have to spend too much time just figure it out rather than code something) and CMake offers besser portability (easy integration with Visual Studio and Xcode).

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RE[3]: Gnome is back
by KugelKurt on Thu 23rd Aug 2007 22:32 in reply to "RE[2]: Gnome is back"
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2005-07-06

Oh, I see now that there was even a story about that on OSNews: http://www.osnews.com/story.php/15046/Why-KDE-Moved-From-autotools-...

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RE[2]: Gnome is back
by KugelKurt on Thu 23rd Aug 2007 12:55 in reply to "RE: Gnome is back"
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2005-07-06

I'm not sure if GNOME suffers from NIH. GNOME has lots of external dependencies (Mozilla code in Epiphany for example).
KDE OTOH has very few external dependencies and the KDE guys are proud of that (IIRC besides Qt only some XML parser, and some compression libs).

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RE[3]: Gnome is back
by superstoned on Thu 23rd Aug 2007 15:03 in reply to "RE[2]: Gnome is back"
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2005-07-07

Hmmmm. Gnome indeed does incorporate non-gnome code and libs. But rarely, if ever, KDE technology.

On the other hand, KDE has been depending on Glib for years. While Gnome started projects to clone Amarok and Kalzium, didn't want to use Arts, cloned DCOP into dbus (which KDE promptly adopted), there are more examples.

Gnome fans don't like KDE apps, even if they have no alternative (K3B) they rather shiped Ubuntu without a decent CD burn app for years.

Rest assured, of course both sides are guilty of NIH one time or another. But it's far more prevalent on the Gnome side. KDE works on integrating in Gnome (Klearlooks, automatic button reordering), and integrating gnome apps (GTK-Qt theme, ld_preload hack, option to disable DPI detection), and Qt even supports the Glib event loop so you can use GTK in KDE apps and vice versa. Now give me a few examples from Gnome work in integrating (instead of rewriting) KDE apps in Gnome...

True, the developers are working together more and more on lower level libraries. It might be the community who rather tells ppl 'LINUX does not support 16bit RAW images' than admitting only KDE apps like Digikam, Gwenview and Krita can do that...

And it's not true KDE has 'very few external dependencies' -> http://www.kde.org/info/requirements/3.5.php

Yes, many are 'optional' which means you CAN compile the basic KDE apps without, but you'll lose functionality. take poppler, without it you can compile okular, but of course, it can't view PDF's...

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