Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 25th Aug 2007 19:56 UTC, submitted by AdamW
Mandriva, Mandrake, Lycoris The second beta of Mandriva Linux 2008, codenamed Galilee, is now available. The release notes are available here. A guide to major new features (some of which are not yet implemented in this beta) is available here, and the detailed technical specifications are available here. This beta is available as a three CD or one DVD Free edition (containing no non-free software or drivers) for the x86-32 and x86-64 architectures, with a traditional installer. Future betas will be available in One live/install CD hybrid editions with proprietary drivers.
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RE: What about locate and slocate ?
by AdamW on Sun 26th Aug 2007 01:35 UTC in reply to "What about locate and slocate ?"
AdamW
Member since:
2005-07-06

We use mlocate. It was mistakenly left off the 2007 Spring images, it will be on 2008.

Visual issues are inherently subjective, and you never get full agreement on what looks good. But the feedback we get indicates most users prefer our newer themes to our older ones.

To add to the announcement above - some major differences between this and beta 1: support for Suggests:-style dependencies, avivo driver as default for X1xxx-series Radeons (temporarily, for testing), possibly draknetcenter, the new consolidated network configuration tool (I need to check whether it got on the ISOs).

For those who have been following the betas of certain other projects, we would also point out that Mandriva has rejoiced in the possession of a graphical X configuration tool for something on the order of eight years, and easy printing configuration (and a default PDF virtual printer) for nearly as long. ;)

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djame Member since:
2005-07-08

> about mlocate :
Great ;)

> visual issue : I know there're very subjective but Mandriva used to be really good in this topic, that's why I can't understand why you changed the corner of the window from rounded to squared ? it's so ugly now.
Remember the visual woaw was mandrake around the 9.2 series ?
it's not anymore, compared to the default look ubuntu has, mandriva's look looks like less professionnal and more like XP for exemple.
One thing which bother me the most is that you change the way the default desktop configuration without warning

the start menu used to be in the bottom from the very beginning of Mandriva up to Mandriva 2006 I guess, and one day, because of gome's people choice, you simplified it and followed ubuntu, putting it on the top of the screen.
You, Mandriva People, must have to consider that your user base is loyal.
The biggest strenght of Mandriva has always been the drivers support and user friendlyness but you suck badly in public relation :
mcc is by far way better than the suse one and urpmi is really way underrated. You should provide a link to the plf site to allow user to simply add non official source to urpmi in one link and allow people to download any codec or non free software they would like to use.
be smart, add a meta package which will allows to run old binary (a lot of priotary software still use libc5 and glibc2.2 (houdini, allegro common lisp) and which will save us the assle of installing libc5, glibc2.2 and some old libtool.
Port the gcc_select tool from apple which allows the selection of gcc3.3 over gcc 4 and please allow scientist to still work correctly (i'm thinking of a tool using in Machine Translation whose name is GIZA++) which doesn't run under mandriva 2007, I had to install manually the old 10.0 under /usr/local/old using the urpmi option --with-prefix and to run it under chroot, just because I updated my distrib...
come on, guys. You're loosing it...

And yes I haven't submitted bug reported, because whenever you came out with a new version, you mark the old bug as resolved even if they're not (look for gparted or xfig bug I filled two years ago).

I like mandriva but really, I prefere mandrake as it was more user centred. This is not a rant post, I just want you to be again the more exciting distro over here.



Regards,

Djamé
ps : another bug. Whenever one creates an user, launch an xsession and for whatever reason, decides to erase the whole directory after this session the .profile is not created properly, the PS1 is "bash-3.1" instead of the default ps1 "user@machine dir"

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AdamW Member since:
2005-07-06

Fred's policy on GNOME is to follow upstream GNOME as closely as possible. Hence we followed their change in the default panel layout.

We cannot have any official links to PLF. It contains software that's simply flat out illegal in major jurisdictions (most obviously dvdcss and win32-codecs) and hence we can't be associated with it.

Mandriva's GCC packages already use the Debian alternatives system (which we use whenever we want to have various alternative versions or implementations of the same command available). You can install GCC 3.3 and even 2.96 alongside the current version (packages gcc3.3 and gcc2.96) and then use the different versions in several ways: you can either explicitly call gcc3.3 or gcc2.96 , define the CC variable, or use update-alternatives:

update-alternatives --config gcc

(as root) and tell it which one you want to be the default.

I don't know anything about Giza++. But in general, it's very hard to ensure that obsolete software that is not updated by its authors will work with a modern distribution.

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thebluesgnr Member since:
2005-11-14

For those who have been following the betas of certain other projects, we would also point out that Mandriva has rejoiced in the possession of a graphical X configuration tool for something on the order of eight years, and easy printing configuration (and a default PDF virtual printer) for nearly as long. ;)

Have you guys done any usability work on them for 2008?

I bought a laptop that came loaded with Mandriva (thank you HP) and the UI for most of the configuration tools was horrible. They actually look like they were designed 8 years ago.

Does Mandriva have at least one usability expert to review them?

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elsewhere Member since:
2005-07-13

Does Mandriva have at least one usability expert to review them?


Do you prefer a tool that works well or looks pretty?

The "usability" argument lately seems to be degenerating into a generic fallback for justifying lack of functionality. At the end of the day, if it does the job, it does the job.

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