Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 25th Aug 2007 19:56 UTC, submitted by AdamW
Mandriva, Mandrake, Lycoris The second beta of Mandriva Linux 2008, codenamed Galilee, is now available. The release notes are available here. A guide to major new features (some of which are not yet implemented in this beta) is available here, and the detailed technical specifications are available here. This beta is available as a three CD or one DVD Free edition (containing no non-free software or drivers) for the x86-32 and x86-64 architectures, with a traditional installer. Future betas will be available in One live/install CD hybrid editions with proprietary drivers.
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Great distro
by Flavio on Sun 26th Aug 2007 03:33 UTC
Flavio
Member since:
2007-08-26

I think Mandriva is one of the best free distros today. It is a shame people seems to ignore it. Mandriva 2007.1 aka Mandriva Spring works out of box, with Nvidia, Wireless, multimedia codecs and more, with little configuration needed.

I was surprised when I was able to play wmv videos with no external dependencies at all. I don't understand why Gentoo, Sabayon or Damn Small draw more attention than Mandriva (nothing against these two).

Besides, I understand why Ubuntu get so more attention, when I have a problem with my Linux box there is always a response available in a Ubuntu forum, and when I search for a new released program, its developer tend to offer source code and an Ubuntu package. For newbies, this is a great advantage.

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RE: Great distro
by shapeshifter on Sun 26th Aug 2007 05:56 in reply to "Great distro"
shapeshifter Member since:
2006-09-19

I think Mandriva is one of the best free distros today. It is a shame people seems to ignore it. Mandriva 2007.1 aka Mandriva Spring works out of box, with Nvidia, Wireless, multimedia codecs and more, with little configuration needed.


Well, if you know the history of Mandrake, former name of Mandriva, you'd understand why they fell in popularity.
Linux users tend to have long memories and are picky when it comes to distros.
Mandriva may get some newcomers to Linux but to the 5+ year Linux users it's pretty much dead.
With so many other great and free distros it's better to support a truly free distro like Debian or Gentoo.
But yeah, it's going to be hard for any distro to compete with Ubuntu.

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RE[2]: Great distro
by gireesh on Sun 26th Aug 2007 17:31 in reply to "RE: Great distro"
gireesh Member since:
2005-07-24

Why is Mandriva not a truly free distro?

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RE[2]: Great distro
by porcel on Sun 26th Aug 2007 21:13 in reply to "RE: Great distro"
porcel Member since:
2006-01-28

Pass on the pipe. I want whatever you are smoking.

Mandriva/Mandrake has always been a "truly free distro". All of its tools are under the GPL as its the distribution itself and they have always released a completely free distro, besides the one with the additional proprietary bits.

If you are allergic to things like flash or proprietary codecs, and maybe we should all be, simply do dot install them.

In fact, Mandrake was a complete free distribution well before Suse release Yast under the GPL. Some of you people are ahistorical or simply like to spread disinformation, which serves no one.

Sometimes, when I hear of people pointing to Gentoo when discussing Desktop distributions, it almost makes me think that they are probably astroturfing for Microsoft or somebody else. By giving new users the impression that Linux is damn hard to use, which they might get if Gentoo is their first encounter, they actually drive them away.

Mandrake has had a graphical installer and has been easier to install than anything else for as long as I care to remember. Their partition manager is still second to none in ergonomics. Lest you think that I am some crazy Mandrake fan, I am actually not running it currently, although my family members do.

I have a mixture of Debian, Ubuntu, Suse and Red Hat on the networks and computers that I look after, but Mandrake is a fine distribution and I am tired of people spreading nonsense about it every time an article about it is posted.

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RE[2]: Great distro
by KenJackson on Sun 26th Aug 2007 21:38 in reply to "RE: Great distro"
KenJackson Member since:
2005-07-18

But yeah, it's going to be hard for any distro to compete with Ubuntu.

This reminded me of one of my favorite quotes that I had clipped some time ago, so I went and found:

Business Week, 1958: With over 50 foreign cars already on sale here, the Japanese auto industry isn't likely to carve out a big slice of the U.S. market.

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RE: Great distro
by thegnome87 on Sun 26th Aug 2007 07:39 in reply to "Great distro"
thegnome87 Member since:
2007-08-04

I agree, I had a very good experience when I last tried Mandriva. Aside from many legally included codecs, it has one of the best and easiest disk partitioners (which eased my first ever Linux installation two years back), an awesome control center, and not to mention the alternative "3D" desktop Metisse included as an option.

As for Ubuntu, one of my main reasons for using it is the solid forte it has in its community. It may be no better or worse than other distros, but it's kind of where the party's at (or more accurately, the busy intersection where you're more likely to get directions).

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RE[2]: Great distro
by porcel on Sun 26th Aug 2007 21:23 in reply to "RE: Great distro"
porcel Member since:
2006-01-28

"As for Ubuntu, one of my main reasons for using it is the solid forte it has in its community. It may be no better or worse than other distros, but it's kind of where the party's at (or more accurately, the busy intersection where you're more likely to get directions)."

Interesting, when I started using Linux about 10 years ago, the same thing would have been said about Mandrake.

In this respect, I do agree that Mandrake squandered its huge lead over other distributions by having for a long time one of the poorest web sites one could find, along with being unable to deliver a consistent and clear message to the community about their roadmaps and products.

Ubuntu, from a marketing standpoint, has been a case study on how to do things well. From a technical standpoint, it does many things very well, but cannot be placed (in my opinion) alongside Red Hat, Suse or Mandrake, at least not yet.

Ubuntu, however, is good enough for many things and many users will continue to flock to it thanks to its welcoming and friendly community.

Here´s a free tip to Mandrake: outsourcing your forums was one of your poorest decisions as was creating two types of forums, the club ones where some users could post and the external ones open to all. I believe some of this may have changed, but it would take some very strong leadership to unify the disperse Mandriva communities so that new users would have an easier time finding their way around. After all, some of the arguments made here are that there is indeed safety in numbers and some users have even expressed their willingness to choose a product that they considered slightly inferior because they perceive it has a more vibrant community.

All distributions should take note of that fact.

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RE: Great distro
by djame on Sun 26th Aug 2007 15:59 in reply to "Great distro"
djame Member since:
2005-07-08

>I think Mandriva is one of the best free distros today. It is a shame >people seems to ignore it. Mandriva 2007.1 aka Mandriva Spring works >out of box, with Nvidia, Wireless, multimedia codecs and more, with >little configuration needed.

I guess you're not talking about the free edition ? it's true that the powerpack really rules but seriously the free edition should have kept the original name they gave to it ; the limited edition.

At least with Gael Duval, the original spirit was kept all along : one great distro for every one.

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RE[2]: Great distro
by AdamW on Sun 26th Aug 2007 18:48 in reply to "RE: Great distro"
AdamW Member since:
2005-07-06

It's Free. That means it's...Free. So of course you get no NVIDIA drivers, little chance of wireless working (since there's hardly any wireless cards that work without non-free stuff), and a few other hardware issues.

But it's very easy - http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Docs/Basic_tasks/Installing_and_removin... - to enable the non-free repository, and install all these packages. Of course, doing this also enables the main and contrib repositories, which contain *every* official free / open source Mandriva package - none of these are available only in the Powerpack.

It is also very easy to download One instead, which comes with them all included.

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