Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 29th Aug 2007 01:00 UTC
Intel "Today's launch of the latest version of Intel's vPro platform is a much bigger deal than you might think, with implications for end users that extend far beyond the enterprise arena at which vPro is initially aimed. The 2007 version of vPro represents the culmination of two of Intel's most ambitious and important plans for the PC platform: the transformation of x86 into a fully virtualizable ISA complete with virtualized I/O, and the first fully-complete implementation of all the parts of Intel's controversial contribution to 'trusted computing' technology, formerly codenamed 'LaGrande' but now called Trusted Execution Technology. Let's take a look at the new vPro and what its new virtualization and 'trusted computing' capabilities mean for ordinary users."
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RE[2]: vpro summary
by psychicist on Wed 29th Aug 2007 14:15 UTC in reply to "RE: vpro summary"
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2007-01-27

It's partially because of these tendencies that I have ported my favourite Linux distribution (Slackware) to MIPS (Loongson 2E) and SPARC (UltraSPARC II) and it flies on my relatively slow hardware.

I and many others will be totally free from both Intel and AMD. There is a Chinese company creating an UltraSPARC T1 derivative (http://www.polarismicro.com) and SRISC (http://www.srisc.com) has done the same thing

And of course there is the Loongson processor, which already performs admirably at 660 MHz. This is the official Chinese processor developed by ICT (Institute for Computing Technology) of CAS (Chinese Academy of Science).

Very soon Loongson 2F will be available in multiple systems from Lemote and next year Loongson 3 will cause mayhem with its 16 cores in workstation, servers and supercomputers. The Tile64 processor doesn't look that bad and neither does Cell.

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RE[3]: vpro summary
by shapeshifter on Wed 29th Aug 2007 20:33 in reply to "RE[2]: vpro summary"
shapeshifter Member since:
2006-09-19

And of course there is the Loongson processor, which already performs admirably at 660 MHz. This is the official Chinese processor developed by ICT (Institute for Computing Technology) of CAS (Chinese Academy of Science).


Yeah, the Chinese are so much more trustworthy than Intel. Give me a break.
The only way to do anything about anything in a market economy is a publicity (the Internet is great for that) and boycotting products.
When company sees its sales drop, the bean counters take notice and changes happen.
Besides, I'd bet that the TC chip will be controlled by the bios, with enable and disable, just like it was with the P3 id number (or whatever it was called).

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RE[4]: vpro summary
by psychicist on Thu 30th Aug 2007 20:53 in reply to "RE[3]: vpro summary"
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2007-01-27

Yeah, the Chinese are so much more trustworthy than Intel. Give me a break.


Have I ever said that the Chinese are to be trusted more than Intel/AMD/Sun/HP/IBM/Fujitsu/ARM/MIPS etc. ?

The only thing I said was I don't want to come to depend upon a single supplier who could then do anything it wants in spite of customer preferences.

The only way to do anything about anything in a market economy is a publicity (the Internet is great for that) and boycotting products. When company sees its sales drop, the bean counters take notice and changes happen.


That's exactly what I am saying. I would like to see an open marketplace for all kinds of processors from all kinds of suppliers. And the ones that cater most to the consumer's wants or needs will sell more than the others who don't.

Besides, I'd bet that the TC chip will be controlled by the bios, with enable and disable, just like it was with the P3 id number (or whatever it was called).


I happen to be very wary of this kind of technology since I haven't asked for it. If I wanted it, it should be me making a conscious decision to purchase the hardware and not Intel/AMD's to ram it down our throat at all costs.

That's the advantage of being free and running free operating systems. I can choose the hardware that I like and not what I am forced to purchase.

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RE[3]: vpro summary
by kaiwai on Wed 29th Aug 2007 22:40 in reply to "RE[2]: vpro summary"
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2005-07-06

There are loongson equiped laptops, the unfortunately thing, it isn't available overseas/outside China.

Its nice having cmopetition but the reality is, the world is moving to laptops. The only real viable alternative in that case is the VIA processor.

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RE[4]: vpro summary
by psychicist on Thu 30th Aug 2007 21:02 in reply to "RE[3]: vpro summary"
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2007-01-27

There are loongson equiped laptops, the unfortunately thing, it isn't available overseas/outside China.


Don't be too sure of that! I am in the Netherlands and I have a Fu Long system from Lemote. I am waiting for 2F based desktops and laptops.

root@darkstar:~# cat /etc/slackware-version
Slackware 12.0.0
root@darkstar:~# uname -a
Linux darkstar 2.6.18.1-lemote-desktop-loongson-3 #2 Sat May 12 18:57:10 CEST 2007 mips GNU/Linux
root@darkstar:~# cat /proc/cpuinfo
system type : Lemote Fulong mini-PC board
processor : 0
cpu model : Godson2 V0.2 FPU V0.1
BogoMIPS : 443.39
wait instruction : no
microsecond timers : yes
tlb_entries : 64
extra interrupt vector : no
hardware watchpoint : no
ASEs implemented :
VCED exceptions : not available
VCEI exceptions : not available

Its nice having cmopetition but the reality is, the world is moving to laptops. The only real viable alternative in that case is the VIA processor.


Loongson is more powerful than VIA processors at lower power consumption. The drawback is you have to recompile all software for MIPS. I'm not so sure Sun is willing to cannibalize their SPARC sales with a Solaris MIPS port.

There are Loongson laptops but the ones produced up to now have been for internal use and development only. We expect them to become available soon as an upgraded Loongson 2F version.

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