Linked by Kroc on Thu 30th Aug 2007 13:03 UTC
Editorial I hear often that when something new appears that "competition is good". The primary reasons competition is seen as good, are: it drives down prices; it gives consumers more choice; it pushes technology forward, quicker. Competition is not good because: competition is why consumers have to choose between HD-DVD and BluRay; competition is why DRM exists; and more. In this article, each of the supposed benefits of competition will be looked at in more detail.
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RE: Pardon...
by porcel on Thu 30th Aug 2007 20:42 UTC in reply to "Pardon..."
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I have no problem with your comments on DRM and the way that the patent system is abused, but do you have any sources to prove that Gateway uses or has used remanufactured parts in their products?

That's a very serious claim to be making. I haven't bought a Gateway product in years, but I did buy two P-II 400 Mhz many years ago, one which received a 3ware card recently and two 400GB drives and acts as my home file server and the other which I gave away to my sister who uses it to surf the net. These systems are about nine or ten years old and they still run well.

In fact, the server has been on non-stop for years, which is why I refuse to replace it.

I am not claiming Gateway is a good hardware company.
I certainly haven't bought anything else since I bought these systems, but you make them out to be crooks and a little bit of evidence would make you more credible.

It seems to me that if they were known to be using remanufactured parts, the news would be all over the net.

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RE[2]: Pardon...
by kaiwai on Thu 30th Aug 2007 23:08 in reply to "RE: Pardon..."
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It seems to me that if they were known to be using remanufactured parts, the news would be all over the net.

Depends on how old you are - would have been around 10 years ago. Packard Bell being the biggest of the lot. Their poor track record of being able to rebuild their brand in North America, for many people it has been synonymous with a poor quality and dishonesty.

Gateway did started to do the same thing around the time they bought PC Direct in New Zealand (not the be confused with the PC Direct which exists today) and used it to cut costs. I had a mate who worked for the company who saw it first hand, hence his refusal to purchase anything from his employer.

Both focused on cutting costs rather than the product - the net result, you end up with a product line that is profit orientated rather than outcome oriented. When you're in the consumer market that is the greatest cardinal sin. Talk to anyone who is successful and they'll tell you that one should focus on the product and the profits will follow.

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RE[3]: Pardon...
by porcel on Fri 31st Aug 2007 12:21 in reply to "RE[2]: Pardon..."
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Well, as I said, I bought those Gateway systems over 10 years ago and they were expensive, but very well built. I also remember calling Gateway and getting someone on the phone instantly back in the day.

I then did hear that they went to hell, but for home use I have built my own systems after that original purchase with the exception of a couple of SUN servers I have laying around.

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