Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 31st Aug 2007 19:17 UTC, submitted by ganges master
General Development Python 3.0, 'Python 3000', has reached its first public release. This version will be followed by beta releases throughout 2008, and the final release is scheduled for August 2008. "Python 3000 ('Py3k', and released as Python 3.0) is a new version of the language that is incompatible with the 2.x line of releases. The language is mostly the same, but many details, especially how built-in objects like dictionaries and strings work, have changed considerably, and a lot of deprecated features have finally been removed."
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RE[6]: I'm impressed
by sbergman27 on Sat 1st Sep 2007 20:40 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: I'm impressed"
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RE[7]: I'm impressed
by unoengborg on Sun 2nd Sep 2007 01:32 in reply to "RE[6]: I'm impressed"
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2005-07-06

Nice movie. It really shows how Zope/Plone shines compared to most other technologies when it comes
to ease of development. It really has it all, internationalization, good template language, code generation from UML, skinability, good security, accessability...

The java part of the movie is a bit out of date though. You don't need to write XML setup files in modern Java EE 5. Another thing you don't use EJBs for user interfaces, they are for business logic.

Today, EJBs contains just business logic, and not a lot of life cycle stuff like they used to do. You can generate Java code from database model or vice versa, just like you can in Rails and other similar with a few mouse clicks in modern IDEs like Netbeans. So I would say that modern java rocks at least as much as the various other technologies shown in the movie when it comes to rapid development.

However, unlike old python code, ugly old sucking EJBs still run unmodified on modern Java EE 5 servers using the latest version of Java. This is actually a good example of how you can make radical improvements can be done without breaking backward compatibility.
I wish python developers had taken a similar road in Python 3.

Zope/Plone is very specific about what version of Python it needs. E.g. the Zope 2.10 used for Plone
needs Python 2.44, version 2.5.x will not work, the same goes for some older plone 2.x versions.
Now they add even more incompatibilities, this is not good for an otherwise good platform. It results in that people will need to install several python version with the obvious chances of making mistakes.

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RE[8]: I'm impressed
by sbergman27 on Sun 2nd Sep 2007 04:12 in reply to "RE[7]: I'm impressed"
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

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The java part of the movie is a bit out of date though.

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The rest of the movie is a bit out of date, as well. ;-)

Best I could provide. It's a snapshot of 2006.

So you contend that Java used to suck for web development, but has turned a new leaf, recently?

Please, no links to Jonathan Schwart's blog. ;-)

Edited 2007-09-02 04:13

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