Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 2nd Sep 2007 18:40 UTC
GNU, GPL, Open Source Eric S. Raymond writes on his blog: "There's been a lot of debate in the community about how OSI should properly handle Microsoft's planned submission of some of its licenses for OSD certification. That debate has been been going on within OSI, too. OSI's official position, from the beginning, which I helped formulate and have expressed to any number of reporters and analysts, is that OSI will treat any licenses submitted to Microsoft strictly on their merits, without fear or favor. That remains OSI's position. But I find that my resolve is being sorely tested."
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RE[5]: OSI moral judge ?
by archiesteel on Mon 3rd Sep 2007 16:40 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: OSI moral judge ?"
archiesteel
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2005-07-02

You seem to suggest that Microsoft isn't engagin in politics by introducing these new licenses (when there were perfectly good licences for them to choose from)?

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RE[6]: OSI moral judge ?
by BrandonTurner on Mon 3rd Sep 2007 17:10 in reply to "RE[5]: OSI moral judge ?"
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2006-01-27

"when there were perfectly good licences for them to choose from"

So prefectly good the FSF had to make the GPLv3 to make more 'freedoms' and so good that kernel developers(BSD and Linux) can't even pick one because their 'freedoms' aren't the same type of 'freedoms'?

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RE[7]: OSI moral judge ?
by archiesteel on Mon 3rd Sep 2007 17:29 in reply to "RE[6]: OSI moral judge ?"
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2005-07-02

So prefectly good the FSF had to make the GPLv3 to make more 'freedoms'


See my response above. The FSF is not the OSI.

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RE[6]: OSI moral judge ?
by trenchsol on Mon 3rd Sep 2007 17:16 in reply to "RE[5]: OSI moral judge ?"
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2006-12-07

Well their licenses have some copyright and patent provisions, which is uncommon for other OS licenses. Those features might appeal to someone. Those licenses might invite developers from outside of FSF dominated and influenced circles, and those who generally distrust FSF, to share their code. I don't see anything wrong with that.

I think that motive is more commercial than political. MS server software (Sharepoint, Exchange) can be customized and scripted in a way that conforms to open standards, using SOAP and (Web)DAV. Having open source people developing useful additional features would increase value of their server software and their sales. Something similar to SugarCRM community.

Yes, I think that Microsoft is much less political then most of the people think. Steve Ballmer is a businessman in the first place. He has a simple goal: make more money.

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RE[7]: OSI moral judge ?
by archiesteel on Mon 3rd Sep 2007 17:25 in reply to "RE[6]: OSI moral judge ?"
archiesteel Member since:
2005-07-02

Well their licenses have some copyright and patent provisions, which is uncommon for other OS licenses.


*All* FOSS licenses are based on copyright law. As far as patents go, I know the GPL is against it (as are others), but I don't know how the BSD license treats the issue.

Those licenses might invite developers from outside of FSF dominated and influenced circles, and those who generally distrust FSF, to share their code.


You don't seem to realize that the OSI has *nothing* to do with the FSF. ESR and RMS apparently can't stand each other (well, that's what the story tells, anyway).

Yes, I think that Microsoft is much less political then most of the people think. Steve Ballmer is a businessman in the first place. He has a simple goal: make more money.


You also don't seem to understand how politics and money are deeply entertwined.

Politics pertains to power. One of the forms power takes is money. Therefore money and politics are deeply linked, and have been since the beginning of civilization.

MS trying to pervert the ISO certification process to fast-track OOXML is inherently political in nature, and they're using money to influence the outcome.

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