Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 4th Sep 2007 17:23 UTC, submitted by troy.unrau
KDE Ars takes a look at KDE 4.0 Beta 2, and concludes: "This beta may not be the end result yet, but there has definitely been a lot of progress since the last one. For the first time I have been able to stop writing about individual features within KDE 4 and start to talk about the level of integration, and general feel of the system to get an impression of how KDE 4.0 will feel like to use."
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RE: You see?
by protomank on Tue 4th Sep 2007 18:17 UTC
protomank
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2006-08-03

The worst (least stable, less mature) piece of KDE4 until now is exactaly Plasma, that is being developed by Aaron Seigo.

So I don't know how can we simply say he was right when Plasma wasn't able until beta2 to produce a decent replacement for kicker 2 months before the final release (before the extra two months delay). Actually I think dropping kicker without a full Plasma (including plasmoids) already in 4.0.0 was a very bad idea :-P

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RE[2]: You see?
by aseigo on Tue 4th Sep 2007 19:25 in reply to "RE: You see?"
aseigo Member since:
2005-07-06

> The worst (least stable, less mature) piece of KDE4
> until now is exactaly Plasma

hm. and this is based on .. how much experience using kde svn?

that said, yep, lots more to do. and it will get done.

> developed by Aaron Seigo

a) that's not fair to the others involved. go look at the svn logs to see just how poorly this represents the full picture

b) it's not the only thing i have to take care of. wish it was, but it isn't.

those are more clarifying points than argumentation, but i think they are useful to bear in mind.

i'd also note that pretty much nobody else is seriously working on how to re-jig the desktop workspace of a production system in a similarly holistic manner. it's a rather interesting and difficult set of challenges and questions.

> So I don't know how can we simply say he was right
> when Plasma wasn't able until beta2 to produce a
> decent replacement for kicker 2 months before the
> final release (before the extra two months delay)

whether i'm "right" or not, fact is plasma will be there. see, people were screaming "vapor!" and "hype!" and similar stuff. now that we're delivering we get called to the carpet for not delivering faster ("you only made beta2!"). seriously, wtf =)

i'm actually chuckling out loud right now because it's quite funny. a bit absurd, but also funny. maybe the two are the same thing.

oh well .. we're still working away on it regardless of the peanut gallery =)

> Actually I think dropping kicker without a full
> Plasma (including plasmoids) already in 4.0.0 was
> a very bad idea

and now you're posting from the future? ;)

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RE[3]: You see?
by Thom_Holwerda on Tue 4th Sep 2007 20:49 in reply to "RE[2]: You see?"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

i'm actually chuckling out loud right now because it's quite funny. a bit absurd, but also funny. maybe the two are the same thing.

Well, KDE4 is an ambitious project, and for a long period now, it was extremely difficult for casual observers to get a coherent idea of what KDE4 actually entails. It wasn't until ~10 months ago that the KDE community finally stepped up with articles, interviews, and alpha/beta releases showing to us casual observers what KDE4 is all about.

The 'mystery' surrounding KDE4 before that time led to a wild-growth of rumors, (fake) mockups, blog posts, and so on - and nobody really knew what it was all about. A lot of KDE people said it was going to be great, but had little to actually show that greatness. That can definitely be seen as an error on KDE's end, and could be something to learn from whenever the time comes for KDE5.

Those times are, luckily, far behind us now, and the betas and screencasts littered on Planet KDE are finally showing the real deal behind KDE4 and all the hard work you guys have put into it. Now let's hope that KDE 4.0 won't be too far away from KDE4 ;) .

Edited 2007-09-04 20:51 UTC

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RE[3]: You see?
by protomank on Wed 5th Sep 2007 16:23 in reply to "RE[2]: You see?"
protomank Member since:
2006-08-03

>hm. and this is based on .. how much experience using kde svn?

Ouch, sorry to piss your feet ;)

>whether i'm "right" or not, fact is plasma will be >there. see, people were screaming "vapor!" and "hype!" >and similar stuff. now that we're delivering we get >called to the carpet for not delivering faster ("you >only made beta2!"). seriously, wtf =)

It's actually the same thing, vapor isn't nothing you see, but water in the gas form. So, right now plasma exists, but is still a lot of gas ;)

And yes, I do belive it have future and it will be great, but it needs more time... much more than KDE 4.0.X cycle.

I remember your speech in FISL (Porto Alegre) last year very well, and THAT was about changing the whole KDE interface, Plasma (t.o.d.a.y) isn't ;)

>and now you're posting from the future? ;)
I was refering the decision that was taken much earlier than Plasma had made the first Plasmoid, sorry if my english is as good as yours ;)

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