Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 5th Sep 2007 17:22 UTC, submitted by gonzo
Microsoft "Microsoft today released to the web Silverlight 1.0, a cross-browser, cross-platform plug-in for delivering richer user experiences on the Web. In addition, Microsoft will work with Novell to deliver Silverlight support for Linux, called Moonlight, and based on the project started on mono-project.com."
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RE[3]: arrgh!
by superman on Wed 5th Sep 2007 18:48 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: arrgh!"
superman
Member since:
2006-08-01

> Read up on silverlight. It's actually very impressive.

Silverlight is backend by MS.
Flash is backend by Adobe. Adobe don't have any problem with Linux. MS Does.

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RE[4]: arrgh!
by mcduck on Wed 5th Sep 2007 19:02 in reply to "RE[3]: arrgh!"
mcduck Member since:
2005-11-23

Silverlight is backend by MS.
Flash is backend by Adobe. Adobe don't have any problem with Linux. MS Does.


Adobe has problems with Linux. Just look at how long it took to get flash 9 ported.

Adobe is just as closed source as Microsoft. The only difference is that adobe for time to time releases some linux binaries (And with this move by Microsoft, you can bet Adobe will keep its linux client up to date).

Microsoft is doing the exact same thing as Adobe, with the exception that its using mono, which will actually make Silverlight run on more platforms than Flash. From what iv seen, they are in it for the long run, so we can expect it to be reasonably updated aswell.

Ofc, we could all ignore Microsoft's attempt at making silverlight cross platform. We can sit in the darkness when huge companies such as ABC and NBC starts to release content for silverlight, that we on Linux cant access. We can sit in the dark while Microsoft makes even more money selling Windows licenses, becuse linux users are forced to Windows to watch rich media.

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RE[5]: arrgh!
by niemau on Wed 5th Sep 2007 19:16 in reply to "RE[4]: arrgh!"
niemau Member since:
2007-06-28

the great thing about adobe is that distros don't include adobe products. besides, all of their products have been reverse engineered / reimplemented over and over by truly neutral parties. i can ignore adobe. i'm peeved enough that almost every distro forces mono down my throat as a default install. with the mono developers' fingers in this, you just know it's going to end up as a default install.

i repeat myself: do. not. want.

frankly, i don't care if silver/moonlight *is* impressive. i don't want microsoft fingers fiddling in my business. at all. period. ever. i feel the say way about mono in general.

i'm tired of developers chasing a moving microsoft target. absolute zero innovation. miguel and his cache of followers are the one of the most devastating forces OSS has seen. i want innovation. i don't want "free" windows and its associated frameworks. think of the great things that could be created if these people weren't busy trying to photocopy everything redmond pukes up.

geez.

Edited 2007-09-05 19:19

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RE[5]: arrgh!
by SlackerJack on Wed 5th Sep 2007 19:43 in reply to "RE[4]: arrgh!"
SlackerJack Member since:
2005-11-12

Who cares for ABC and NBC, alot of websites have moved to flash for their video content. To me the Silverlight demo is just a jazzy frontend to what flash can do already.

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RE[5]: arrgh!
by superman on Wed 5th Sep 2007 19:46 in reply to "RE[4]: arrgh!"
superman Member since:
2006-08-01

> Adobe has problems with Linux. Just look at how long it took to get flash 9 ported.

So Adobe has with with other OS not popular as Windows.
Adobe does not have the same amount of money to put in Linux than in Windows.

> Adobe is just as closed source as Microsoft.

Quite. But Adobe does not compete with Linux. This make a big difference.

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RE[5]: arrgh!
by polyex on Fri 7th Sep 2007 04:22 in reply to "RE[4]: arrgh!"
polyex Member since:
2007-07-11

I think Adobe just has problems. Microsoft knows exactly what they are doing :-)

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RE[4]: arrgh!
by Almafeta on Wed 5th Sep 2007 19:14 in reply to "RE[3]: arrgh!"
Almafeta Member since:
2007-02-22

Adobe don't have any problem with Linux.


Photoshop.

MS Does.


Silverlight was first running on Linux. Microsoft-created standard VC-1 was first implemented on Linux.

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RE[5]: arrgh!
by superman on Wed 5th Sep 2007 19:50 in reply to "RE[4]: arrgh!"
superman Member since:
2006-08-01

> Photoshop.

???
It's not cost effective for Adobe to port Photoshop to Linux. That's all.

Why Adobe should not port Photoshop to Linux ?

MS will not port MS-Office to Linux even if it's cost effective.

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RE[4]: arrgh!
by Oliver on Wed 5th Sep 2007 23:41 in reply to "RE[3]: arrgh!"
Oliver Member since:
2006-07-15

Yes Adobe hasn't got any problem with opensource at all, because they don't see it ;)

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RE[4]: arrgh!
by kaiwai on Thu 6th Sep 2007 01:00 in reply to "RE[3]: arrgh!"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

Silverlight is backend by MS.
Flash is backend by Adobe. Adobe don't have any problem with Linux. MS Does.


Pardon? what is the difference between overt hatred of GPL (Linux does not equal GPL, it uses GPL) and covert hatred of Linux by Adobe by virtue of their crap support for Linux.

We're talking about the same company that got 3/4 of the way through to releasing Framemaker for Linux and withdrew it from the market. If Adobe were such 'friends' of Linux, they would have not only released that but actually pulled finger and released a creative suite for Linux.

Sorry, atleast with Microsoft there is a level of consistancy; if they're going to screw someone over, they'll do it outright with no effort to covert it. The fact is Microsoft has nothing to lose by support Moonlight given that Microsoft will be firstly the main provider of services and secondly by virtue of the fact that their IDE will always be superior to what ever the opensource world puts out. In otherwords, somewhere along the line a Windows computer will be needed in the creation or deployment of it.

Getting back to Microosft; the vast majority who do like *NIX don't want Microsoft destroyed; we want healthy competition where all rivals keep each other on their toes - pushing innnovation rather than having things stand static because of the lack of competition.

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